View Poll Results: How will you vote on the proposed FDX FDA LOA?
YES
41
15.89%
NO
217
84.11%
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Poll - How will you vote on the new FDX FDA LOA?
06-28-2007, 05:56 PM
#11
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Completely Apolitical Nonsensical Slogan that has nothing to do with politics in the slightest....
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Originally Posted by Micro
I see 8 yes votes at this point. Any of you yes voters want to tell us why you would vote for it. I haven't seen one post from anyone voting for it. Please enlighten us (no sarcasm meant).
TSD
P.S. and that doesn't mean Naval Flight Officers or whatever they call them. Who am I to say, I was too dumb to come in out of the rain.
06-28-2007, 06:27 PM
#13
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Posts: 14
Voting "No" will accomplish nothing, in fact it will probably hurt us in the next round of negotiations. This "LOA" recognizes FDA's as part of our contract, something Subic has never had since its inception. No one is disputing that the $2700.00 is "chump change"; but if anyone has any plausible ideas on how to "force" the company to increase their offer I'm sure the union would be most interested. The most salient point is to "not bid the FDA"; if new hires are going as Captains the company may see fit to increase their offer. Remember this LOA has cost the Union/Pilot group nothing, this is an out and out gain; sure the Housing money is abhorrant, but a "No" vote won't get us any nearer to what we want, not bidding will if everyone stays together.
06-28-2007, 07:03 PM
#14
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: leaning to the left
Posts: 4,184
Voting no will accomplish nothing? I would have to disagree. Voting no would, in no uncertain terms, tell the company and our MEC that their proposal is inadequate.
Would you vote for it if it was a $2000/ month allowance? How about a $1000/month allowance? Where would you draw the line? My personal line is much higher than this proposal. And, FDX can afford it!
I'm done voting for inadequate TAs. They can afford and we deserve better.
By the way, don't you find it curious that the only MEC dissenter was the SFS block rep?
Would you vote for it if it was a $2000/ month allowance? How about a $1000/month allowance? Where would you draw the line? My personal line is much higher than this proposal. And, FDX can afford it!
I'm done voting for inadequate TAs. They can afford and we deserve better.
By the way, don't you find it curious that the only MEC dissenter was the SFS block rep?
06-28-2007, 07:28 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: ANC-Based MD-11 FO
Posts: 328
I think we should keep this simple: if the LOA is not good enough, vote NO. I think we spend way too much time and effort trying to out think management in order to send signals when time and again the simple, direct way is usually the best.
06-28-2007, 07:41 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 482
Why not just vote yes and not bid it?
If we vote no--the company can hire into those positions, or outsource the flying.
Scope? We may lose on that one since we were offered the flying and said no thanks.
I think the STV is a scarier prospect. Sounds like the company can "deploy" you three out of 18 months. Hmmm that sounds familiar to my previous life.
If we vote no--the company can hire into those positions, or outsource the flying.
Scope? We may lose on that one since we were offered the flying and said no thanks.
I think the STV is a scarier prospect. Sounds like the company can "deploy" you three out of 18 months. Hmmm that sounds familiar to my previous life.
06-28-2007, 07:42 PM
#17
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Posts: 14
Would you vote for it if it were $3000, $4000 OR $10000. If it's just about the money, how will voting "No" make the company increase the amount? I'm pretty sure that the MEC or NC has no leverage to get your demands.
Unfortunately I predict that even if the amount was $1.00 the company will have no problem getting pilots to fill the FDA slots. We don't need to vote "No" on the LOA we need everyone to not bid the FDA.
Unfortunately I predict that even if the amount was $1.00 the company will have no problem getting pilots to fill the FDA slots. We don't need to vote "No" on the LOA we need everyone to not bid the FDA.
06-28-2007, 08:19 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by av8torguy
Would you vote for it if it were $3000, $4000 OR $10000. If it's just about the money, how will voting "No" make the company increase the amount? I'm pretty sure that the MEC or NC has no leverage to get your demands.
Unfortunately I predict that even if the amount was $1.00 the company will have no problem getting pilots to fill the FDA slots. We don't need to vote "No" on the LOA we need everyone to not bid the FDA.
Unfortunately I predict that even if the amount was $1.00 the company will have no problem getting pilots to fill the FDA slots. We don't need to vote "No" on the LOA we need everyone to not bid the FDA.
How many times did the company flaunt the 87% passage of the original contract in our face?
This LOA is a pitiful proposal that I will not sanction with my vote. Nor, will I bid the FDA under this LOA.
Vote for it on it's own merits. Not on possible outcomes from "sending a message" by not bidding the FDAs. That's a fantasy, anyway.
For those that fear the hiring of "foreigners" to fly our freight. Read the contract. We do have a scope section. We paid for it in the last contract.
From CBA Sec 1.B.3:
All Domestic and International revenue flights conducted with aircraft that are owned, leased, or operated by the Company, having a MTOGW of greater than 60,000 lbs., and operated pursuant to the Company’s Airline Operating Certificate or any additional Part 121 Airline Operating Certificate obtained by the Company, shall be operated by pilots on the Federal Express Master Seniority List in accordance with the terms of the Agreement.
Last edited by Busboy; 06-28-2007 at 08:30 PM.
06-28-2007, 08:23 PM
#19
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Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Maybe internet trolls not at fdx. Honestly...not yanking anyone's chain--if you WANT one of these FDAs tell me what you think. If you are for the LOA explain why. I'm not again voting yes if it makes sense. So far still on the "no" side....
Sleepy...can you explain the "why yes" side?
Sleepy...can you explain the "why yes" side?
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