FDX'ers on LOA
#31
sorry tony, i dont understand what you are referencing. The company can staff either FDA with any airplane, Right? I wish you you could talk plainly on this forum like you used to before your election. Guys have lots of questions I'm not finding much useful union info.
My numbers are in VIPS (the Mobile's a better option) and my E-mail address is on the ALPA website. I'd be happy to field whatever questions you might have.
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#33
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Great post especially liked the tax equalization is not a benefit part. Would just like to add Income Tax Gross Up* is already in the current CBA and may be better then Tax Equalization. So Tax Equalization could be a give back.
*would love to find a Personnel Policy and Procedure Manual (3-86) dated October 2003.
Great post especially liked the tax equalization is not a benefit part. Would just like to add Income Tax Gross Up* is already in the current CBA and may be better then Tax Equalization. So Tax Equalization could be a give back.
*would love to find a Personnel Policy and Procedure Manual (3-86) dated October 2003.
#34
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Folks -- The following is an email response from one FDX pilot who had been asked about the cost-of-living situation when he lived in HKG prior to joining FDX. Because the writer is rather junior, he's reticent about speaking up. I'm respecting his wish to stay below the ridge-line by not using his name. Please forgive me if you see this post on a couple more threads -- this info is critical, and should be seen by as many pilots as possible.
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:07:58 -0700
>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the info. I couldn't agree more.
>
>My wife and I lived in Hong Kong in a previous life in the mid 90's. I was with [a major brokerage house] and our housing at that time was about US$9,000 per month for an apartment in Repulse Bay. It was about 2,300 square feet and pretty nice, but in a older building, on a lower floor, with wall unit A/C that barely kept it cool. I would think that same apartment is much more now. I had one of the lower housing allowances for expats -- as I recall, some other guys were getting up to twice that amount.
>
>[The brokerage firm] paid for housing, and a lot more, too. They covered schooling, family trips home to the states, all moving expenses, medical/dental, storage for stuff we left in the States, and probably a lot more that I've forgotten.
>
>The other thing people need to remember is how quickly the real estate market changes in Hong Kong. It goes up and down very quickly. I read that right now it is going up at about 20% per year. That happened to us -- by the time we arrived in Hong Kong, the housing allowance we had agreed to was way behind where the market was. Fortunately, the company eventually agreed to raise the number.
>
>I have been following the rumors/announcements on this issue, since we would really like to have the chance to get overseas while our kids are still young. I was going to email Dave Webb, but after seeing the response to that other guy who is even senior to me, I'm not so sure.
>
>Enjoy the rest of your vacation.
>
>Cheers,
> [name withheld by Herkybird]
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:07:58 -0700
>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the info. I couldn't agree more.
>
>My wife and I lived in Hong Kong in a previous life in the mid 90's. I was with [a major brokerage house] and our housing at that time was about US$9,000 per month for an apartment in Repulse Bay. It was about 2,300 square feet and pretty nice, but in a older building, on a lower floor, with wall unit A/C that barely kept it cool. I would think that same apartment is much more now. I had one of the lower housing allowances for expats -- as I recall, some other guys were getting up to twice that amount.
>
>[The brokerage firm] paid for housing, and a lot more, too. They covered schooling, family trips home to the states, all moving expenses, medical/dental, storage for stuff we left in the States, and probably a lot more that I've forgotten.
>
>The other thing people need to remember is how quickly the real estate market changes in Hong Kong. It goes up and down very quickly. I read that right now it is going up at about 20% per year. That happened to us -- by the time we arrived in Hong Kong, the housing allowance we had agreed to was way behind where the market was. Fortunately, the company eventually agreed to raise the number.
>
>I have been following the rumors/announcements on this issue, since we would really like to have the chance to get overseas while our kids are still young. I was going to email Dave Webb, but after seeing the response to that other guy who is even senior to me, I'm not so sure.
>
>Enjoy the rest of your vacation.
>
>Cheers,
> [name withheld by Herkybird]
#35
CBA, 30 October 2006
DEFINITIONS
41. FOREIGN DUTY ASSIGNMENT
An assignment of a pilot to a base outside the United States, or
its territories, designated by the Company, for greater than 3 bid
periods. A pilot holding an FDA shall be permanently domiciled in
MEM.
11. BASE
An aircraft specific operational work location (FDA, temporary
vacancy or domicile).
.
SECTION 2
DEFINITIONS
41. FOREIGN DUTY ASSIGNMENT
An assignment of a pilot to a base outside the United States, or
its territories, designated by the Company, for greater than 3 bid
periods. A pilot holding an FDA shall be permanently domiciled in
MEM.
11. BASE
An aircraft specific operational work location (FDA, temporary
vacancy or domicile).
.
For example, if HKG were specified an Airbus base, in my opinion, there is no language in this LOA, or the CBA to preclude the company from an STV assignment of x number of MD11 crews from ANC to sit in HKG for three months against their will, to aid in opening this FDA.
We all know what the company lawyers are capable of when given a loophole. There would need to be wording that specified that STV assignments can only be awarded to crewmembers currently qualified in the specific aircraft type assigned to that FDA, in order to shut this loophole.
Although I am not a laywer, I did layover at the Indy Holiday Inn Express last night.
.[/QUOTE]
#37
Folks -- The following is an email response from one FDX pilot who had been asked about the cost-of-living situation when he lived in HKG prior to joining FDX. Because the writer is rather junior, he's reticent about speaking up. I'm respecting his wish to stay below the ridge-line by not using his name. Please forgive me if you see this post on a couple more threads -- this info is critical, and should be seen by as many pilots as possible.
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:07:58 -0700
>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the info. I couldn't agree more.
>
>My wife and I lived in Hong Kong in a previous life in the mid 90's...
>
>... I was going to email Dave Webb, but after seeing the response to that other guy who is even senior to me, I'm not so sure.
>
>Enjoy the rest of your vacation.
>
>Cheers,
> [name withheld by Herkybird]
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:07:58 -0700
>Hi Mike,
>
>Thanks for the info. I couldn't agree more.
>
>My wife and I lived in Hong Kong in a previous life in the mid 90's...
>
>... I was going to email Dave Webb, but after seeing the response to that other guy who is even senior to me, I'm not so sure.
>
>Enjoy the rest of your vacation.
>
>Cheers,
> [name withheld by Herkybird]
There is one potential, glaring difference that I see between where this former broker/financial guy worked and FedEx. FedEx doesn't respect us or our contribution and never will. We're treated, in all aspects of the operation, as a necessary, expensive liability. Sounds like the company mentioned in the email values their employees a bit more (although I really don't think any company values anything but profit anymore). Now I do not mind the treatment we get from FedEx, mainly because I have come to expect nothing from them outside of what we force our union to negotiate.
A company only gets the employees it deserves.
VOTE NO!
Last edited by MEMFO4Ever; 07-07-2007 at 07:11 AM. Reason: Took up too much space
#38
But there is still nothing in this LOA or our current CBA that would keep the company from assigning involuntarily, a pilot from a different aircraft type to that base for three months (STV) if they so desired.
For example, if HKG were specified an Airbus base, in my opinion, there is no language in this LOA, or the CBA to preclude the company from an STV assignment of x number of MD11 crews from ANC to sit in HKG for three months against their will, to aid in opening this FDA.
.
For example, if HKG were specified an Airbus base, in my opinion, there is no language in this LOA, or the CBA to preclude the company from an STV assignment of x number of MD11 crews from ANC to sit in HKG for three months against their will, to aid in opening this FDA.
.
Under our current CBA we can go on STV??? I disagree.
All I see is no FDA unless you bid for it. Then I see SIBA, which is a month's flying (15-18 days) overseas, come back home, then back for 3 bid periods total.
STV is travel overseas, stay up to 90 days, then come back.
SIBA does not equal STV!
BTW, I have talked with more than a couple of senior CA's who think this STV is no bid deal then it comes out they really don't understand SIBA or the new STV being proposed. WOW! I find it hard to believe people can form such solid opinions on what they learn by rumor over dinner. They refuse to read portions of the CBA or the LOA to get the real scoop.
But since they are senior I am sure they know a lot more about which resturant to go to than about some "obscure" contract provision they don't have to worry about anymore.
It must be good to be senior.
Last edited by Gunter; 07-07-2007 at 08:06 AM.
#39
Those senior captains are the ones who won't be touched by this STD, and will go on status quo. I have talked with a few myself and tried to explain how it is a bad deal, especially for someone junior in a seat(like me). For those who are junior to you, vote no!
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