Originally Posted by Gooch121

Anyone know the minimum age, under ICAO, to become an airline pilot?
Someone once told me it was 21, but I don't know for sure.

If 21 is the lowest age, under ICAO, a person can become an airline pilot, then how does that stack up against the FAA minimum of 23....

Don't see people standing on the street corners complaining about that bit of age discrimination do ya'.

Originally Posted by ConnerP

I haven't heard anyone on the street say a NO vote is retaliation for age 60 but I have heard plenty say the LOA is a dog.

Your quote above is exactly the point. JL is doing his job. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.... JL is doing his job.

How many guys have you heard refer to JL as "a straight shooter" or "a stand up guy" or "one of the guys" or say that they "trust him"? The company thinks he has our ear because... HE DOES.

The problem is that JL is "the company". He is not "one of us"!
After all, does he or does he not sit across from us at the negotiating table? That is part of his job. Another part must be to sell us this LOA by negotiating directly with the membership via e-mail.

The phrase "my negotiating committee speaks for me" was not a FedEx original. It means for the company to negotiate at the bargaining table and not directly with the membership. It does not mean that the membership will automatically rubber stamp whatever the NC brings to them.

I'm out-
Conner

Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso

Conner,

I really wish more of us understood what you just said. Too many of us seem to think that our personal opinions of JL, OR one way or the other have anything to do with this LOA or any other CBA deal. They don't. Imo, the MEC would be well served to put out a short statement to remind us that while the company is free to give their opinions of the LOA, that the only verifiable information to consider for our votes comes from the MEC. They already know this, but have chosen not to emphasize it during the LOA process b/c they happen to have come to the same conclusion That still doesn't make it right to quietly watch them negotiate directly with us without calling them on it. If they validate this now, how will they effectively discredit it when some future issue comes up where they disagree with the company?

Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver

We would be cut out of what process?

Originally Posted by DLax85

So pleaseeeeeeeeeee let's not equate racial segreation (where an individual cannot change their race) to a seniority based system, where in fact the underlying linchpin to success is that the junior people will eventually become senior.

(OK...just waiting for your reply that says --- "We'll they will, just 5 yrs later". With that mentality, you'd really be missing the point)

...and for what's it's worth -- this LOA has nothing to do with Age 60. It's woefully substandard on it's own accord.

Originally Posted by prezbear

The legislative or NPRM process.

Originally Posted by Albief15

No "We" in that statement. Interestingly enough, the airlines are fighting that, with the help of their star lobbyist (ready for this) Duane Woerth.

Blue Ribbon panel member told me that DW was leading the retro charge with ALPA. Good, bad, or indifferent--it was a personal compaign without a mandate from the majority.

Let's concentrate for now on the LOA. We'll get around to these other issues after August 10.

Originally Posted by Albief15

No "We" in that statement. Interestingly enough, the airlines are fighting that, with the help of their star lobbyist (ready for this) Duane Woerth...