New Bid Rumor
09-03-2007, 05:44 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
Sounds like the type of plan of the junior class. I would love to be able to compare the use of sick leave between the guys that have been around 25 to 40 years with the average guy with 10-15 years. The way you guys talk most have burnt up most, if not all their sick leave every year. I think that is the real issue about using/abusing disability. 
OK. Here's another plan you may want to think about...Just keep flunking your S/O checkride. Then, they'll ask you if you want to keep trying or go back to your old seat. Maybe by that time the age 60 rule will have been changed. If not, then call in sick. Maybe by then, we(ALPA) will have won the "pilot pushing/DSA" grievance we'll fight for you guys. And you can use that 686 hours you've saved up without worrying about your ACP hammering you.
Last edited by Busboy; 09-03-2007 at 06:52 PM.
09-03-2007, 05:51 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by JetJocF14
I am one of those guys who has a full disability account of 686 hours. No I'm not a hero and fly sick but I do like to fly. One reason it got full was that when the TIGER union worked on the details of the merger I got something like 350 to 400 hours of sick time put in my bank. THE POWER OF A REAL UNION.
So 686 X $245.65= $168,515.90 That is a chunk of change!
And that my friend is mine that I have earned and I'm going to have it one way or another. If the company thinks I'm just gonna give that back to them there dreaming...............
The rumor is that many of our age 60 guys are doing just that. Reaching 60 and calling in sick. Now, why would the company question that?
I don't give a crap if anyone retires with 6 or 686 hrs. But, I do give a crap if their abuse causes me to jump through hoops when I want to go into my DSA. Just so some 60+yr old guy doesn't have to go to the panel, in order to take advantage of an upcoming rule change.
I too, have 686 hrs in my bank.
Last edited by Busboy; 09-03-2007 at 06:54 PM.
09-03-2007, 05:53 PM
#23
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
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JJF14, I think it's "Their dreaming" vice "There dreaming".....just mentioning it...good luck in your reclaiming endeavors......hope you have a very good friend as a Doc, or a lot of Sh*t that needs fixing, cause "they" are watching very closely who/what/where/when and why folks take alot of sick time. This incoming inquisition was set up 7 years ago. They went after our "sick" bank and got it. Now it's the progressive turning of the screws, parallel to the scheds screws. A Plan is next........maybe 3 yrs from now?
09-03-2007, 06:11 PM
#24
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[quote=Busboy;225242]Are you age 60?
The rumor is that many of our age 60 guys are doing just that. Reaching 60 and calling in sick. }
I'm wondering how many of the over 60, DC10 S/Os, that got excessed, will come down with anal glaucoma right before their 727 S/O class starts? When you get well, you get perspective and retire. No?
The rumor is that many of our age 60 guys are doing just that. Reaching 60 and calling in sick. }
I'm wondering how many of the over 60, DC10 S/Os, that got excessed, will come down with anal glaucoma right before their 727 S/O class starts? When you get well, you get perspective and retire. No?
09-03-2007, 06:13 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Ohhh. So, you're not planning on calling in sick until the age 60 rule is changed.
OK. Here's another plan you may want to think about...Just keep flunking your S/O checkride. Then, they'll ask you if you want to keep trying or go back to your old seat. Maybe by that time the age 60 rule will have been changed. If not, [I]then[I] call in sick. Maybe by then, we(ALPA) will have won the "pilot pushing/DSA" grievance we'll fight for you guys. And you can use that 686 hours you've saved up without worrying about your ACP hammering you.
OK. Here's another plan you may want to think about...Just keep flunking your S/O checkride. Then, they'll ask you if you want to keep trying or go back to your old seat. Maybe by that time the age 60 rule will have been changed. If not, [I]then[I] call in sick. Maybe by then, we(ALPA) will have won the "pilot pushing/DSA" grievance we'll fight for you guys. And you can use that 686 hours you've saved up without worrying about your ACP hammering you.
09-03-2007, 06:16 PM
#26
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The only thing that happens when a pilot reaches the regulated age is that pay is reduced to the S/O rate. Hmmm?? Pay is reduced on the basis of age alone.]
Actually George, pay is reduced to the pay scale of what you are qualified to fly. Perhaps you think you should get WB Capt's pay while you go through training? Naturally, if that were the case, we could expect all of you to utilize all that sick leave and 200% to drag out training to say, 8 months?
Actually George, pay is reduced to the pay scale of what you are qualified to fly. Perhaps you think you should get WB Capt's pay while you go through training? Naturally, if that were the case, we could expect all of you to utilize all that sick leave and 200% to drag out training to say, 8 months?
09-03-2007, 06:18 PM
#28
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Originally Posted by FoxHunter
No reason to call in sick, if you're not sick. All the company is asking for is proof that you are sick. What a concept!!
09-03-2007, 06:28 PM
#29
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I would love to be able to compare the use of sick leave between the guys that have been around 25 to 40 years with the average guy with 10-15 years.
09-03-2007, 06:34 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by AerisArmis
The only thing that happens when a pilot reaches the regulated age is that pay is reduced to the S/O rate. Hmmm?? Pay is reduced on the basis of age alone.]
Actually George, pay is reduced to the pay scale of what you are qualified to fly. Perhaps you think you should get WB Capt's pay while you go through training? Naturally, if that were the case, we could expect all of you to utilize all that sick leave and 200% to drag out training to say, 8 months?
Actually George, pay is reduced to the pay scale of what you are qualified to fly. Perhaps you think you should get WB Capt's pay while you go through training? Naturally, if that were the case, we could expect all of you to utilize all that sick leave and 200% to drag out training to say, 8 months?
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