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09-20-2007, 04:14 PM

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KnightFlyer

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That's great news. Need more reports from the field. Thanks O!

09-20-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11

4. If you're asking - "am I protected once I join back up with the scheduled DH?" - I think the answer is probably no - any time you deviate (at all) it's all on you to get to the operating leg (in place) with the required minimum time (12 hours intl) prior to show.

I thought I remembered an email/FCIF from JL in the past addressing this, but I couldn't find it anywhere for reference.....he was answering the question about 'what if I end up on the same flight with the rest of the crew and then none of us end up getting there on time?'.....I think he said in that particular case you wouldn't get spanked individually for initially deviating.....but don't quote me on that one - I couldn't find a copy of that one..

I occasionally sit in as the union rep for ACP counseling sessions and was told at one that "no ACP in this building will hang you out to dry" if you reconnect with the scheduled DH and it then goes into the tank. Having said that, he did not put it in writing, but he was preaching the reasonable man theory.

09-20-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by machz990

I will be flying the scheduled second leg to Paris next week. I deviated on the first leg only in VIPS. Will report back on whether G/T was still there or not.

I looked into this issue extensively a while back and posted a couple threads on the subject. This whole debacle started when the company switched to FOCUS. For every person I spoke with I got a different answer as to why we couldn't deviate on the first leg only. Some said it's a FOCUS software issue and needs to be fixed. One ACP told me it now aligns more closely to the CBA and the original intent. Another told me that G/T should never get cancelled because it's a different department and they don't cancel when you deviate. Wrong!

You should already be able to tell. I deviated both legs to CDG last week and almost immediately the pairing showed "services canceled" next to GT.
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09-25-2007, 04:58 PM

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I cancelled the 1st day of a 2 day DH to PVG. All flights to PVG were cancelled (both days) and both sets of GT were cancelled. Guess the fix isn't exactly in yet.

09-25-2007, 05:28 PM

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Tried deviating on first leg of a two day international deadhead -- no dice! VIPS cancelled the whole thing!

09-25-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11

well.....well......I guess "O" or someone must have actually followed through on their "fix".

I just looked at a trip of mine that has two front-end DH legs, and VIPS will now allow me to selectively cancel the legs (like the old system) again vs. having to click one box to cancel all legs (front or back)

Thanks for the info Machz990.

Let us know if it works as advertised - ie. like it used to before FOCUS.

Well it worked.........I cancelled just the first leg and then flew the scheduled Continental Flight 56 from EWR to CDG and the GT was there. He had my name on his paperwork.