GnH,

I just logged back onto upsjobs and picked out 22202883 job from Flt Officers. Mins are still 1500. That's MINS. Not average, as w/ SaltyDog's post, never take the average. I have buds in my class that were not EPs w/ Mil backgrounds. Once you get past the online system, it's yours to lose. Way too good a hiring picture to sound down in the dumps- good luck, just don't give up. Again, up top in the thread, that's 5002 average to be competitive. That number means NOTHING. First- make the computer happy and get to an interview. Second- don't tube the interview, it really is yours to lose once you pass the computer.

 

What's "AD guys"?

 

Active duty.

 

Could that be "active duty" guys?

 

I assume you're a military pilot correct? If so, I am not sure why there's so much doom & gloom in your post?
I've been asking every new hire in the past year that I came across what their backgrounds were and almost all of them are either civilian heavy drivers (Gemini, Omni, World, etc) or military heavy drivers (KC135, etc).

If you have 3,000 hours in KC 135s (as you said in your post) you ARE what they are looking for. The 5,000 number was just an average mentioned, not minimums. Also, I've been to numerous AirInc seminars in the past and I know they always average out the minimums for civilian and military guys. In other words if an average civilian pilot had 6,000 and an average military pilot had 3,000 hours they will say the average applicant had 4,500.

From what I've been told, the software they use does give the military applicants some kind of percentage boost of their flight time. I don't know how much and exactly how it's done but if you ask applicants who are waiting for their interview in the lobby of the trng center, almost every civilian guy/gal there has 1,500 to 2,000 hours more than the military guy/gal sitting right next to them. Of course, everyone knows it's because the flying is totally different.

Either way, my point is I'm not sure why you sound so depressed - you have exactly what they want and if I were you I'd show my ugly face at as many job seminars as it took - I did. Good luck to you.

 

Oh, duh? I had a senior moment...(I'm prepping for the age 75 retirement rule)

 

Guys,

Don't mean to sound so doom and gloom. I still have a year to go until I get out, so I have plently of time. Guess the biggest thing I see is that you have to get past the computer. Unfortunately if the computer doesn't put any "weight" into the fact you're mil vs civ, or how many EQs you've received or how many pilot the year awards, etc you've won, then you're just a low time guy. All of this stuff probably sounds great in an interview, but you might not ever get there because the computer screening deemed you unworthy.

I really don't remember putting on the app anywhere that I was mil or civ background, but might have. I just think with so many folks now going to a computer to do the initial screening some guys (yours truly included) might get left out in the cold because of the comparitively low total flight time. Especially when I hear things like they won't even take an app at AirInc...to me that says thanks for your interest, but we'll let the computer sort out who it thinks is best qualified for the job.

GNH

 

I still have a year to go until I get out, so I have plently of time…

If you still have a year to go the application system can and probably will change at least a few times. So, you might be worrying for nothing…

I really don't remember putting on the app anywhere that I was mil or civ background, but might have. I just think with so many folks now going to a computer to do the initial screening some guys (yours truly included) might get left out in the cold because of the comparitively low total flight time.

Did the application ask for specific aircraft types? (The format has changed a few times in the last 2 years). Did you put KC 135 there somewhere? If so, I wouldn’t worry about whether you put “military experience” on your resume. I think the application system will figure it out.

Also like I said, if you're correct about the application system not being able to differentiate between the military and the civilian applicants, then how do you explain that almost every military person being called has fewer flight hours than the civilian pilots in his/her class? I can’t prove it but I must have talked to some 60 pilots who either just got hired or were waiting to be interviewed and almost every time the civilian pilots had more flight time than the military ones. Therefore, I think there must be some kind of flight time “equalization system” and I think you’ll be just fine.

Especially when I hear things like they won't even take an app at AirInc...to me that says thanks for your interest, but we'll let the computer sort out who it thinks is best qualified for the job.

I went to the women-in-aviation seminar almost two years ago (I’m not a woman but strongly recommend this job fair) and was told then that as soon as the online application was up and running they would stop accepting resumes at all job fairs. It took them a little longer but I guess they finally did it. Their reasoning was that they were swamped with paper resumes and faxed in resumes and walked in resumes and they spent most of their time sorting through the paper resumes and quite often one person had submitted more than one resume in a day, so I can definitely see why they were desperately trying to get away from that system. (is there a limit to how many times I can say 'resume'?

 

I think this is a little more specific to UPS. Seems from what I've heard a person doesn't actually see your app until the computer says you're good. This includes reviewing your time, if it likes you then it sends you a psych eval which it grades, then if you pass that a human finally looks at your records and schedules the interview.

I'm sure there is a lot of value in a computerized "rack and stack" but I think the UPS system might go a bit too far. Hard to say how smart a computer system is...

Before I get out I'm gonna start attending seminars and what not. I've actually emailed Kalitta and NetJets and both said to reapply when I hit my six month point. I'm gonna do the Airine Apps thing here in October and submit my app to SWA at the same time. Guess we'll just have to see what the future holds. Pretty sure whatever it is, it'll be better than gettin shot at in Iraq!

GNH

 

after death?
Already dead?

why does the military use so many abbreviations?