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Old 10-25-2007, 04:57 AM
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I know our pay is different than AA right now...yada yada yada BUT, these are some contract openers we need to start with next round !

"American is now in contract talks with its pilot union. The Allied Pilots Association told the carrier yesterday that members want a 49 percent pay increase to restore purchasing power lost since 1992. The union's pay plan also seeks annual raises of 6 percent during a 32-month contract term and a 15 percent signing bonus."

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Old 10-25-2007, 08:42 AM
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Wow, what an amazing concept!! Ask for the sun, moon and stars and end up somewhere in the middle. Makes sense to me. Sure is justified since AA "promised" to share the wealth when they become profittable. I wish we as a pilot group and a union could negotiate like this, instead of "what do we have to give up to get this?" Totally different unions.
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Oh, now come on folks ... what's wrong with the "It's the best we're going to get" (so vote for it!) negotiating philosophy?
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Ok, ok...I'll admit it. I got duped on the last contract BUT NOT ON THE LOA!
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Here's what I'll give up to remove STVs from future contracts/LOAs: Agency shop.

The best union we will ever have is one we can quit. I won't miss a dues payment, but some guys have forgotten who serves who...
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Amen to that Albie.

Unfortunately, I think the consternation that Agency Shop has caused the union will be more ammo for Fred and the company and I doubt they will agree to give it back. They have got to be smiling right about now.
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Negotiating Committee Passes Proposals to Management



Fellow Pilots,

The APA Negotiating Committee has been working diligently to collate your survey responses into negotiating positions that were presented to and approved by the APA Board of Directors. The following bullets are the proposals that were passed across the table to management:

Duration:

• Contract amendable January 4, 2011
• Openers exchanged 180 days before amendable date
• Mediation at 120 days before amendable date
• Release at 30 days prior to amendable date
• Self-help at amendable date
• Management pays all direct union costs during Section 6 negotiations

Furlough Issues:

• Furloughees credited LOS for all purposes
• Double furlough pay provisions
• Offer enhanced early retirement before and during furlough period

Probation:

• Eliminate probation
• Increase 1st and 2nd year pay in line with remainder of FO pay

Meal and Incidental Expenses (M&IE) (per diem):

• Commence one hour prior to deadhead (no change to deadhead sign-in)
• NYC Government Services Administration M&IE rate domestically
• State Department London M&IE rate internationally

Sick Leave:

• Change to Personal Time program
• New hires granted 250 hours upon employment
• Accrue 80 hours per year
• Unlimited accrual
• Payout over 1000 hours
• Increased rapid re-accrual
• Allow schedule modification while out on Personal Time

Vacation:

• Earlier accrual
• Greater accrual
• Allow unequal VC trades
• 5-day slide
• Allow fly-through vacation

Sequence Protection:

• By leg, day, sequence and monthly projection
• Paid greater of original or modified

Signing Bonus:

• 15% of W-2 from July 21, 2006 (management’s early openers)

Paycheck:

• 15th of month – 50% of current month’s guarantee
• 5th of month – remainder of previous month’s pay

Pay Over Monthly Guarantee:

• Pay over monthly guarantee is premium pay

International and Night Pay:

• International pay is 7.5% of hourly rate
• Night pay is 5% of hourly rate

Holiday Pay:

• Premium pay for any trip touching 10 designated holidays

Variable Compensation:

• In cash and pensionable
• Pilot-only plan
• Uses three different methods. Whichever provides highest payout is used.
• Triggers for payout easily verified from public documents
• Provide meaningful incentive to pilots

Pay:

• May 1, 2008 pay indexed to inflation dating back to 1992 (16 years at 2.68% compounded annually)
• Annual increase of 6% plus cost-of-living during new contract continuing until new contract is negotiated
• All pay increases retroactive to amendable date of current agreement (May 1, 2008)


The actual proposals presented today along with future proposals will be made available on www.apanegotiations.com.

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION PROPOSES PAY RESTORATION FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS; CITES MEMBERSHIP MANDATE, DRAMATIC INCREASE IN MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION

‘Inflation has steadily eroded our purchasing power’

Fort Worth, Texas (October 23, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), presented a pay proposal to the carrier’s management today that is designed to restore the pilots’ lost purchasing power.

Current American Airlines pilot pay rates are slightly lower than what they were in 1992, with inflation eroding the pilots’ purchasing power by more than 33 percent since that time. APA’s proposal calls for adjusting current pay rates to account for post-1992 annual inflation, as reflected by the Consumer Price Index.

American Airlines management rejected an earlier pay proposal APA’s previous leadership made in May. Shortly thereafter, the membership elected its current national officers by the widest margin and with the largest voter turnout in APA history. Upon taking office, the newly elected leadership commissioned a survey of the membership regarding the ongoing contract negotiations with American Airlines management.

“Our pilots were unequivocal in our recently concluded membership survey—it’s time to restore their purchasing power,” said APA President Captain Lloyd Hill. “Moreover, that erosion accelerated dramatically for our pilots and their families with the deep concessions we made beginning in 2003.”

Hill pointed out that the majority of American Airlines’ pilots have been with the airline since the early 1990s, which means that pilots have endured an ongoing decline in their standard of living for much of their careers with the carrier.

“In sharp contrast to what our pilots have endured, American Airlines management has given itself what amounts to an exponential increase in compensation over the same period. What we are seeking for our pilots doesn’t even begin to approach management’s gains,” Hill said.

American Airlines’ five “Named Executive Officers” (as identified in documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission) have experienced an increase of 469 percent in their total compensation since 1992. For the CEO, the increase has been even more dramatic. In 1992, American Airlines CEO Robert Crandall’s total compensation was $1,013,471. Current CEO Gerard Arpey’s total compensation for 2007 will be $8,344,971—an increase of 723 percent, representing a 560 percent increase in purchasing power.

“It is well past time to restore our pilots’ purchasing power,” Hill said. “After all, management compensation has done much more than simply keep pace with inflation. By any measure, the past 15 years have been extremely lucrative for our airline’s senior executives.”

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This is certainly something to learn from.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:11 PM
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Notice they are on top of getting their propaganda out ahead of management. Our union waits until Fred gets to the press several times before we even respond.
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Maybe we should hire APA to help negotiate our contract........Although I doubt they'll get a fraction of this.
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