UPS-Any speculation????????
12-11-2007 | 05:21 PM
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UPS-Any speculation????????
If HR 4343 passes (which looks pretty inevitable at this point 
), what kind of impact is it likely to have in terms of future hiring for UPS? I realize it pretty much guarantees that there will be little or no hiring in 2008, but how about beyond? Just wondering how many of the over 60 crowd are hanging out as F/E's and how will it likely work for them to get back up front?
I'm sure there will be a lot of differing opinions, and most of it will be pure speculation, but I'm curious how everyone thinks it will likely shake out.
), what kind of impact is it likely to have in terms of future hiring for UPS? I realize it pretty much guarantees that there will be little or no hiring in 2008, but how about beyond? Just wondering how many of the over 60 crowd are hanging out as F/E's and how will it likely work for them to get back up front? I'm sure there will be a lot of differing opinions, and most of it will be pure speculation, but I'm curious how everyone thinks it will likely shake out.
12-11-2007 | 05:32 PM
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There are 157 pilots between 60-65 on the seniority list. They could all bid back to the front seats as the classic airplanes get phased out.
There are 280ish pilots between the ages of 55-60 on the seniority list that will not be required to retire until 65 now instead of 60.
I don't think it looks good for upgrades or hiring for the next few years if this passes - as it seems to be exected now.
There are 280ish pilots between the ages of 55-60 on the seniority list that will not be required to retire until 65 now instead of 60.
I don't think it looks good for upgrades or hiring for the next few years if this passes - as it seems to be exected now.
12-11-2007 | 05:49 PM
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3. Bypass
a. The Company may elect to bypass any crewmember who
is within two (2) years of the FAA mandated retirement age
for a Captain or First Officer/IRO position, as of the system
bid effective date of his vacancy and who requires
initial/transition training. (contract, p.318)a. The Company may elect to bypass any crewmember who
is within two (2) years of the FAA mandated retirement age
for a Captain or First Officer/IRO position, as of the system
bid effective date of his vacancy and who requires
12-11-2007 | 05:52 PM
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Bidding back is independent of what happens to classics. They can bid back to the front seat in any vacancy bid, or vacancy/realignment bid...
12-11-2007 | 06:24 PM
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There are 157 pilots between 60-65 on the seniority list. They could all bid back to the front seats as the classic airplanes get phased out.
There are 280ish pilots between the ages of 55-60 on the seniority list that will not be required to retire until 65 now instead of 60.
I don't think it looks good for upgrades or hiring for the next few years if this passes - as it seems to be exected now.
There are 280ish pilots between the ages of 55-60 on the seniority list that will not be required to retire until 65 now instead of 60.
I don't think it looks good for upgrades or hiring for the next few years if this passes - as it seems to be exected now.
If the other 157 plumbers can do the same, maybe no hiring for a year ....
So if those stars completely align and I hit powerball next week ... there will be no more hiring for 1 year ... realistically !
But I could be wrong, it happened once before, I think ...
12-11-2007 | 07:02 PM
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This may affect those 63 and 64.
3. Bypass
a. The Company may elect to bypass any crewmember who
is within two (2) years of the FAA mandated retirement age
for a Captain or First Officer/IRO position, as of the system
bid effective date of his vacancy and who requires
initial/transition training. (contract, p.318)a. The Company may elect to bypass any crewmember who
is within two (2) years of the FAA mandated retirement age
for a Captain or First Officer/IRO position, as of the system
bid effective date of his vacancy and who requires
12-11-2007 | 07:03 PM
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12-11-2007 | 07:05 PM
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