FDX - A Victory for DP pilots!
04-10-2008 | 12:22 PM
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And how much will we all have to give up to make that happen? A lot more than if the DP flyers had not hosed the rest of the membership. The company knows they just have to slap a little lipstick on the pig and we got guys in heat. You think they will give that up cheaply? All because the DP flyers can pass up a little short term gain.
DP flyers must take most of the responsibility.
04-10-2008 | 12:33 PM
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We forget that this is a victory for the company!! They (the company) write these POS trips and the SIG tries to protect us from them. However, the SIG gets undercut by these DP fliers and has finally given up. I thank JI and his group for beating their heads against the wall for all these years but maybe it's time for the SIG to close up shop and let the company and the optimizer to just run wild. Why waste their time and union $$$. Maybe things will get so bad that we have to call in fatigued (probably never happen) or just pi$$-off enough people so that in 2010 FE and the NC will be able to make significant improvements to the workrules. We've been fighting this battle for years with no success. Why waste any more effort.
04-10-2008 | 01:40 PM
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And how much will we all have to give up to make that happen? A lot more than if the DP flyers had not hosed the rest of the membership. The company knows they just have to slap a little lipstick on the pig and we got guys in heat. You think they will give that up cheaply? All because the DP flyers can pass up a little short term gain.
DP flyers must take most of the responsibility.
DP flyers must take most of the responsibility.
Our current DP generation process involves both statistics and opinion at the SIG. It's the opinion piece that creates the dissention in the ranks. After all, we all have different opinions. As a result, our current DP process is flawed, even though it is all we have. The company probably knew it was flawed when they agreed to it. We are just begining to understand. A good question is how do we get there from here, no necessarily what do we have to give up.
04-10-2008 | 01:51 PM
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If you can't see that hard parameters (with significant pay penalties for block above those hard parameters) are the key to the end state that both you and I want, I won't be able to change your mind.
Our current DP generation process involves both statistics and opinion at the SIG. It's the opinion piece that creates the dissention in the ranks. After all, we all have different opinions. As a result, our current DP process is flawed, even though it is all we have. The company probably knew it was flawed when they agreed to it. We are just begining to understand. A good question is how do we get there from here, no necessarily what do we have to give up.
Our current DP generation process involves both statistics and opinion at the SIG. It's the opinion piece that creates the dissention in the ranks. After all, we all have different opinions. As a result, our current DP process is flawed, even though it is all we have. The company probably knew it was flawed when they agreed to it. We are just begining to understand. A good question is how do we get there from here, no necessarily what do we have to give up.
04-10-2008 | 02:04 PM
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I spoke with my block rep about this today. He says that not only were guys picking these trips up but that they were actually flying fast to bring the trips in under the allowable scheduling limits. He says they were doing this despite the fact that these were hard time trips!
Where do we get these geniuses?
Where do we get these geniuses?
04-10-2008 | 03:08 PM
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If you can't see that the company isn't going to give us the hard parameters we both want I will not be able to change your mind. Can we negotiate for them, yes but it will cost us a he!! of a lot more because we have a very small percentage of the population that refuses to see they are stabing the SIG in the back.
04-10-2008 | 04:02 PM
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Next contract we go to the company and say we want to tighten these parameters.
Scenario one, none of the disputed pairings are picked up. All the disputes are successful. The company quits scheduling them. It costs them nothing to agree to stiffen the parameters.
Scenario two, the sig wins no disputes. It will cost the company money to tighten the parameters. We ask kindly and they say puck off you now how much this will cost us?
Over simplification yes. But it seems we need to keep things simple.
Scenario one, none of the disputed pairings are picked up. All the disputes are successful. The company quits scheduling them. It costs them nothing to agree to stiffen the parameters.
Scenario two, the sig wins no disputes. It will cost the company money to tighten the parameters. We ask kindly and they say puck off you now how much this will cost us?
Over simplification yes. But it seems we need to keep things simple.
04-10-2008 | 04:08 PM
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The exact same thing can be said of the negotiating commitee. Is that flawed? The SIG is not flawed. We as a union are flawed. I see a future in which every single Asia pairing out of ANC is two legs to Asia (turning NRT or KIX), get reset, then week long hub turns. And you know what operational duty times/scheduling parameters have nothing to do with it.
04-10-2008 | 04:49 PM
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Contractually we know what that means. In reality, we'll see what happens...
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