"O" and the hub-turn meeting
07-16-2008, 12:44 PM
#111
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Let's say the 777's average 16 hours flying a day, 7 days a week. That is 112 hours a week, right? 448 hours per month.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
07-16-2008, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
Let's say the 777's average 16 hours flying a day, 7 days a week. That is 112 hours a week, right? 448 hours per month.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
07-16-2008, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
I left them off. They will add to the numbers of course.
Sick calls will be huge on this plane, given the demographic. I've heard several over-60 types say they plan on burning all their sick leave before they go.
Sick calls will be huge on this plane, given the demographic. I've heard several over-60 types say they plan on burning all their sick leave before they go.
07-16-2008, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8
According to "O" last night, his interpretation (thus I believe would be the company's) on the BLG reduction is that the CAN go below 68/85 without an LOA, as long as they give a thirty day notification.
Continued to stress there will not be any furlough.
Mentioned that the reason the 8-03 bid was cancelled was to give the union and company a chance to come up with new ideas to reduce the number of people affected by the excess, not necessarily the cost of training, home purchases. He said those costs are just part of doing an excess.
Restated the 777 bid should be in OCT/NOV. A smaller excess bid would be after that. Manning could be as high as 20/ aircraft, so that by 2010 we would need about 250 in the 777.
May park up to 16 310's. A full 757 is more efficient than a 2/3 full 310. Reliability on the older 310's is dropping off compared to other aircraft. So rather than trading 757 for 727, they would do it the 310. Up to 16 Airbus to be parked includes the ones already mentioned in previous fleet management announcements.
Reason we are getting rid of Valsan 727's is because they are the only 727's that we are leasing.
He is very aware that the accepted fare system "sucks". His words but then he corrected him self to "stinks" LK is the project manager to gather info for when accepted fares were lower than actual fares. LK has asked data from the company for all purchase prices compared to accepted fares for schedule trips. Sounds like he wanted info from us also. "O" said to cc the SIG also.
Had no info on TNT purchase. Did state that CDG cnx was not because of that. He thought we would hear something about a CDG domicile later (can't remember his exact words for a time frame, but it was less than a year). He felt it would be Airbus rather than 757.
About 10 have talked to him regarding PLOA. Some for a 3 month, others for up to 2 years.
Can't think of anything else, but I know there were some others.
Continued to stress there will not be any furlough.
Mentioned that the reason the 8-03 bid was cancelled was to give the union and company a chance to come up with new ideas to reduce the number of people affected by the excess, not necessarily the cost of training, home purchases. He said those costs are just part of doing an excess.
Restated the 777 bid should be in OCT/NOV. A smaller excess bid would be after that. Manning could be as high as 20/ aircraft, so that by 2010 we would need about 250 in the 777.
May park up to 16 310's. A full 757 is more efficient than a 2/3 full 310. Reliability on the older 310's is dropping off compared to other aircraft. So rather than trading 757 for 727, they would do it the 310. Up to 16 Airbus to be parked includes the ones already mentioned in previous fleet management announcements.
Reason we are getting rid of Valsan 727's is because they are the only 727's that we are leasing.
He is very aware that the accepted fare system "sucks". His words but then he corrected him self to "stinks" LK is the project manager to gather info for when accepted fares were lower than actual fares. LK has asked data from the company for all purchase prices compared to accepted fares for schedule trips. Sounds like he wanted info from us also. "O" said to cc the SIG also.
Had no info on TNT purchase. Did state that CDG cnx was not because of that. He thought we would hear something about a CDG domicile later (can't remember his exact words for a time frame, but it was less than a year). He felt it would be Airbus rather than 757.
About 10 have talked to him regarding PLOA. Some for a 3 month, others for up to 2 years.
Can't think of anything else, but I know there were some others.
...that would appear to match the efficiency comments above....PLUS help prevent the potential "moving expense" problems associated with an excess bid ---- as those excessed off the Bus may not be as inclined to just bid MD-11 to ANC in mass, as many of the MD-11 MEM guys did who were looking at getting excessed on 08-03.
...he also mentioned there were 3 current strategies to attempt to "increase utilization" of the current crewforce and convince the bean counters we shouldn't furlough.
- Continued Reduction/Elimination of Carryover in the widebody acft (...currently in negogiation with the union)
- Upcoming 777 bid
- Reduced BLGs
...in that order
07-16-2008, 04:30 PM
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Also from last night....
J/S booking **might** be changed to 21 days versus 14 days.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
07-16-2008, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindy
J/S booking **might** be changed to 21 days versus 14 days.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
...new HKG pilots (i.e. not Subic transfers) are already living there and have already been activated there.
I guess my real question is when did the STV clock start ticking??
07-16-2008, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindy
J/S booking **might** be changed to 21 days versus 14 days.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
07-16-2008, 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lindy
J/S booking **might** be changed to 21 days versus 14 days.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
Also, enough interest in VOLUNTARY STV to HKG for F/O's, hence no new hires. (Try to ask the company to hire when we are overstaffed). This is a temporary solve, but the base is still opening in December and Subic closing in December.
07-16-2008, 11:41 PM
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OK Huck, I think your logic is in the ball park as far as you took it. I agree with your base of 25.6 pilots per A/C (although I think your number of flt hrs./day, 16 is low, the A/C's don't sit like the crews do). Now add 18% for reserve manning= 30.2/AC, add an additional 17% for Secondary lines= 35.3/AC. Vacationing and sick pilots are accounted for in reserve and secondary lines. Now add an additional 5% for the cats and dogs (Mgmt, LCA's, Flex, etc) for an estimated total of 37.1/AC. As you can see this number is fairly close to the 40 pilots/AC (or 20 crews, 2 man). If you go to 20 flt hrs/day/AC (4hr sit between legs for maint.) it goes to 46.4 pilots/AC. Cheers......FLMD
Originally Posted by Huck
Let's say the 777's average 16 hours flying a day, 7 days a week. That is 112 hours a week, right? 448 hours per month.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
With a 70-hour BLG, that's 6.4 crews per aircraft. 4 pilots per crew, so that's 25.6 pilots per aircraft.
