"O" and the hub-turn meeting
07-11-2008, 06:53 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by say that again
It was a simple question, one that obviously struck a nerve. In the final analysis, FedEx management will love all the animosity directed at the union with negotiations in the horizon.
07-11-2008, 11:26 AM
#14
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Yes........we are getting paid less and so should the MEC leaders. Period. If they need to work less to be paid less, then that's fine. If they're not happy with that......they can resign. They won't of course. They have a great deal (even with lower pay) and they wouldn't ever quit on their own.
07-11-2008, 12:16 PM
#15
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Why not set a structure such as this.
MEC will get RLG plus a certain number of hours (lets say 20hrs). When RLG is 72 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 92 hours. When RLG is 91 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 111. They get 1180hrs per year (4- 5 week months, 8 - 4 week months). That's better than 98 hrs per every month. But since we're a RLG low it would drop them down as well - but same amount of work days. Same as a reserve guy, Flex, mgmt.
If we go to the 48/60 the extra hours would go to 10 rather than 20. They're still getting paid more than the line dog but not some extravagant amount. As the words of THE DW come to mind... "It's the right thing to do."
I think the housing allowance is a crock... If a MEC officer needs a place to stay - let him do what all commuters do - it's called a crash pad. I'd probably not feel so strongly about this but since the MEC's thought's on HKG's housing allowance was so pathetic, what's good for the goose is good for the MEC.
MEC will get RLG plus a certain number of hours (lets say 20hrs). When RLG is 72 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 92 hours. When RLG is 91 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 111. They get 1180hrs per year (4- 5 week months, 8 - 4 week months). That's better than 98 hrs per every month. But since we're a RLG low it would drop them down as well - but same amount of work days. Same as a reserve guy, Flex, mgmt.
If we go to the 48/60 the extra hours would go to 10 rather than 20. They're still getting paid more than the line dog but not some extravagant amount. As the words of THE DW come to mind... "It's the right thing to do."
I think the housing allowance is a crock... If a MEC officer needs a place to stay - let him do what all commuters do - it's called a crash pad. I'd probably not feel so strongly about this but since the MEC's thought's on HKG's housing allowance was so pathetic, what's good for the goose is good for the MEC.
07-11-2008, 12:30 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by koz2000
Why not set a structure such as this.
MEC will get RLG plus a certain number of hours (lets say 20hrs). When RLG is 72 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 92 hours. When RLG is 91 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 111. They get 1180hrs per year (4- 5 week months, 8 - 4 week months). That's better than 98 hrs per every month. But since we're a RLG low it would drop them down as well - but same amount of work days. Same as a reserve guy, Flex, mgmt.
If we go to the 48/60 the extra hours would go to 10 rather than 20. They're still getting paid more than the line dog but not some extravagant amount. As the words of THE DW come to mind... "It's the right thing to do."
I think the housing allowance is a crock... If a MEC officer needs a place to stay - let him do what all commuters do - it's called a crash pad. I'd probably not feel so strongly about this but since the MEC's thought's on HKG's housing allowance was so pathetic, what's good for the goose is good for the MEC.
MEC will get RLG plus a certain number of hours (lets say 20hrs). When RLG is 72 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 92 hours. When RLG is 91 they would get 20 hours per month to equal 111. They get 1180hrs per year (4- 5 week months, 8 - 4 week months). That's better than 98 hrs per every month. But since we're a RLG low it would drop them down as well - but same amount of work days. Same as a reserve guy, Flex, mgmt.
If we go to the 48/60 the extra hours would go to 10 rather than 20. They're still getting paid more than the line dog but not some extravagant amount. As the words of THE DW come to mind... "It's the right thing to do."
I think the housing allowance is a crock... If a MEC officer needs a place to stay - let him do what all commuters do - it's called a crash pad. I'd probably not feel so strongly about this but since the MEC's thought's on HKG's housing allowance was so pathetic, what's good for the goose is good for the MEC.
07-11-2008, 01:14 PM
#17
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Originally Posted by purplepilot
Anyone got any info on O's meeting last night in AOC? I heard no furloughs and that we'd not be overmanned in 18 months. Mostly good news. Maybe a SMALL excess bid after peak.
1. Volumes are at levels not seen in 10 years, but with much different system form (we are set for a more international vice domestic staffing)
2. 757 production issues are largely resolved. They are still planning on purchasing the full complement of a/c (87 I believe).
3. 777 posting should happen in the Oct/Nov (ish) timeframe. There is a potential it could be staffed at 20 crews / plane (still in negotiations). In the spring of 2010 they are anticipating needing 250 or so pilots to staff 777.
4. The recent problems with the training letters are due to interpretation issues between the company and union and are currently being addressed.
5. Early retirement has / is being looked at. Right now the beancounters do not feel it is currently worth pursuing.
6. Depending on who talk to, the "O" said we are somewhere between 200 and 500 folks fat. He wouldn't specifically give a number so he tap danced on this question a bit.
7. The letter of intent for a 135 certificate has been sent to the FAA. Both certs will be maintained (121 for charters). Expect 135 in the middle of next year.
8. The 10 will be shut down completely after peak and probably by February (ish). There might be some guys in limbo after the 10 stops flying and before they have a training slot.
9. The airline 'cannot operate at the contract BLG minimums.'
10. They do not plan to furlough (barring anything 'catastrophic'). In 12 to 18 months they are going to need everybody so they are pursuing other staffing models. Specifically, he said that 08-03 was canceled so that they could work with the union on options that aren't specifically address in the CBA (carryover). These options are currently being negotiated. There will be another excess posting that will have less impact on the crew force.
11. 16 310's are being parked or returned to the leasing companies.
12. The "O" said he reads these boards so I would just like to tell him hello.
There were a few other things, but that is all I can remember. Hope that helps. Now back to the MEC chat.
Cheers,
Beertini
07-11-2008, 01:23 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by Beertini
I hate to get away from all of the MEC bashing and return to the question at hand, but here is what I got out of the "O's" talk the other evening.
1. Volumes are at levels not seen in 10 years, but with much different system form (we are set for a more international vice domestic staffing)
2. 757 production issues are largely resolved. They are still planning on purchasing the full complement of a/c (87 I believe).
3. 777 posting should happen in the Oct/Nov (ish) timeframe. There is a potential it could be staffed at 20 crews / plane (still in negotiations). In the spring of 2010 they are anticipating needing 250 or so pilots to staff 777.
4. The recent problems with the training letters are due to interpretation issues between the company and union and are currently being addressed.
5. Early retirement has / is being looked at. Right now the beancounters do not feel it is currently worth pursuing.
6. Depending on who talk to, the "O" said we are somewhere between 200 and 500 folks fat. He wouldn't specifically give a number so he tap danced on this question a bit.
7. The letter of intent for a 135 certificate has been sent to the FAA. Both certs will be maintained (121 for charters). Expect 135 in the middle of next year.
8. The 10 will be shut down completely after peak and probably by February (ish). There might be some guys in limbo after the 10 stops flying and before they have a training slot.
9. The airline 'cannot operate at the contract BLG minimums.'
10. They do not plan to furlough (barring anything 'catastrophic'). In 12 to 18 months they are going to need everybody so they are pursuing other staffing models. Specifically, he said that 08-03 was canceled so that they could work with the union on options that aren't specifically address in the CBA (carryover). These options are currently being negotiated. There will be another excess posting that will have less impact on the crew force.
11. 16 310's are being parked or returned to the leasing companies.
12. The "O" said he reads these boards so I would just like to tell him hello.
There were a few other things, but that is all I can remember. Hope that helps. Now back to the MEC chat.
Cheers,
Beertini
1. Volumes are at levels not seen in 10 years, but with much different system form (we are set for a more international vice domestic staffing)
2. 757 production issues are largely resolved. They are still planning on purchasing the full complement of a/c (87 I believe).
3. 777 posting should happen in the Oct/Nov (ish) timeframe. There is a potential it could be staffed at 20 crews / plane (still in negotiations). In the spring of 2010 they are anticipating needing 250 or so pilots to staff 777.
4. The recent problems with the training letters are due to interpretation issues between the company and union and are currently being addressed.
5. Early retirement has / is being looked at. Right now the beancounters do not feel it is currently worth pursuing.
6. Depending on who talk to, the "O" said we are somewhere between 200 and 500 folks fat. He wouldn't specifically give a number so he tap danced on this question a bit.
7. The letter of intent for a 135 certificate has been sent to the FAA. Both certs will be maintained (121 for charters). Expect 135 in the middle of next year.
8. The 10 will be shut down completely after peak and probably by February (ish). There might be some guys in limbo after the 10 stops flying and before they have a training slot.
9. The airline 'cannot operate at the contract BLG minimums.'
10. They do not plan to furlough (barring anything 'catastrophic'). In 12 to 18 months they are going to need everybody so they are pursuing other staffing models. Specifically, he said that 08-03 was canceled so that they could work with the union on options that aren't specifically address in the CBA (carryover). These options are currently being negotiated. There will be another excess posting that will have less impact on the crew force.
11. 16 310's are being parked or returned to the leasing companies.
12. The "O" said he reads these boards so I would just like to tell him hello.
There were a few other things, but that is all I can remember. Hope that helps. Now back to the MEC chat.
Cheers,
Beertini
07-11-2008, 01:38 PM
#19
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That's funny---I don't care who you are.
Originally Posted by Beertini
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12. The "O" said he reads these boards so I would just like to tell him hello.
There were a few other things, but that is all I can remember. Hope that helps. Now back to the MEC chat.
Cheers,
Beertini
12. The "O" said he reads these boards so I would just like to tell him hello.
There were a few other things, but that is all I can remember. Hope that helps. Now back to the MEC chat.
Cheers,
Beertini
07-11-2008, 02:03 PM
#20
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Posts: 141
O's meeting
i was at the meeting too....very good recap, you beat me to it.
gotta say too, O was very forthright with info. he (in my opinion) was giving us the scoop as he knew it. i especially liked how he stated that even though a few on the seniority list might want to "whack" a couple hundred off the bottom to protect "their" blg's, this wasn't going to happen.
very good news to those on the bottom of our seniority list.
i guess at least our chief pilot is looking out for them, dw sure isn't.
thanks O
(since you do read this
)
gotta say too, O was very forthright with info. he (in my opinion) was giving us the scoop as he knew it. i especially liked how he stated that even though a few on the seniority list might want to "whack" a couple hundred off the bottom to protect "their" blg's, this wasn't going to happen.
very good news to those on the bottom of our seniority list.
i guess at least our chief pilot is looking out for them, dw sure isn't.
thanks O
(since you do read this
)
