Now we know you are lying :D:D:D

Isn't that one of the prerequisites ??

Seriously . . . I have had a couple of tickets . . but know my 'Civics' and was able to 'weasel' out of them. Therefore 'no record'. You know the 'secret handshake' . .don't you?

The 'ticketing' officer has to show up in court . .so you can confront him. Always ask for a continuance.

Wow guys..... "straw dealer"?

"I'm one of the good guys"...using a local FFL in your community is fine with me. The reaction to this offer has been surprising.

I can see your moral argument with the good deal for airline pilots, however HK has made no statement prohibiting this type of purchase - and I would chance to say they don't care. If my wife flew in the airlines, I would just buy her share. I don't plan on hocking this one, but would like to have one at the Ranch, and one at the house.

So.... as I stated: I'm up for paying an extra $100.00 if you want to pursue a totally legal purchase of your HK LEO model, involving an FFL if you desire. I encourage you to research the law, contact your local authorities for advice, and even contact HK if you desire. In the end, lets do it right if it is do-able.

For the rest of you... take it easy.

That's right, everyone is different. You think the thumb safety is natural, and it helps you achieve the perfect trigger pull....great. I don't like them or need them. Again....simplicity.

This is a misleading statement. When are you ever going to pull the trigger on the LEM from from a decocked position? Answer: you're not, unless you forgot to charge a round into the chamber. In this case, you're going to know it immediately when you start to pull the trigger. Instead of the soft trigger slack that you normally feel, the trigger pull will be extremely heavy, and all you're going to hear when you finish the trigger pull is a click, because there is no round in the chamber. During normal firing procedures, when are you ever going to experience this "heavy" DA trigger pull?

In the case of a FTF, I sure wouldn't be pulling the trigger a second time (the heavy DA trigger pull that you describe) to see if the round will fire.

Thanks for the H&K USP Compact LEM trigger class, but I own one, and am very familiar with how the trigger works.

OK . .so maybe I should re ask the question in a different form.

Would it be helpful to get the 'FFL'? Has anyone done this?

How much trouble is the process? Are the 'online courses' reputable? I did a Google and came up with this: Get Your FFL Now!

Does anyone have a recommendation of a course they have taken?

Should I just walk into a local gun shop? I would like to take advantage of the offer that started this thread. The local gun shop probably wants me to buy something off his shelf. Essentially . .how do I get the 'documentation' that HK needs for this offer? http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf

Just go to your local gunshop he will give you a signed copy of his FFL form you can fax to HK. The gun will be shipped to your gunshop. When it comes in he will call you to pick it up and charge you 25 to 30 bucks for his service happens all the time.

I would muck rather have the HK.

I guess that is easier than studying and becoming an FFL, eh?

Was for me!:cool:

That AA-12 is amazing.

Glock also has a GREAT deal for pilots as well, but a lot of CCW people insist on carrying the same weapon on the street as they do in the cockpit, hence the second H&K.

The H&K is a great gun, but a little too bulky for CC for me.

Could someone please confirm whether or not with this gun, if you load a magazine and chamber a round, is there no way to decock the hammer? If not, will that harm the mechanical integrity of the gun over time?

Thanks

It's the same as a Glock. No hammer to decock. It won't harm the integrity. Glock Talk if you want to read more about these type guns.

The safety is between your ears. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to shoot what the gun is pointed at.

I would like to refrain from sounding rude so I'll try my best....
FTF is the reason why the LEM trigger was designed as opposed to a longer SAO (like the Glock), 90% of the time the "bad" round will fire once the hammer is dropped again (maybe not seated right due to carbon in the extractor,etc)... the situation is very rare with HKs because the spring is so powerful, however instead of racking the slide, re-chambering a new round (like you would on the Glock) you can just pull the trigger again...potentially saving your life (assuming you knew how to use it in the first place). I will never feel my DA unless I choose to carry without a safety decocked or a FTF situation. HK DA is not as bad as you might think, the pull is true all the way, get's a little heavier at the end and breaks clean and crisp. Anyone can shoot fine either way with a small amount of practice.

As far as having a safety goes... if you don't need one that's fine... I just prefer a lighter very short trigger pull everytime, mine is at about 4lbs SA. The LEM is a long trigger pull... I just don't prefer that.

Obviously you are not familiar with the trigger system as you didn't know what I was talking about. I hate to get technical, but since you said it didn't make sense I thought I'd clarify. There is also a loaded chamber indicator so you wouldn't have to pull the trigger to "find out".

If you read what I wrote about the operation you'll see that there are two hammers, internal remains cocked, external remains almost "decocked". No it will not harm the weapon... leaving you mags loaded for a long time can cause misfeeds, not cleaning your weapon after each time you shoot it will harm your weapon. Over lubricating your weapon will harm it, as will under lubricating it. I use a synthetic luberication as some regular gun oil burns up quickly when firing.

If you read my previous post about the operation of the LEM you see that it does have a hammer (2), Glock uses a striker fire mechanism that works totally different.

Yeah....90% of the time the "bad" round will fire once you pull the trigger a second time. First off, where did you pick up that little pearl of wisdom? Second of all, what pistol instructor taught you to pull the trigger a second time on a FTF with a semi-automatic handgun? Every instructor I've ever had (military and civilian) taught me to tap, rack, and re-engage the threat when the weapon goes click. Call me crazy, but I think I'll stick with that method.

Ryan, I would like to refrain from sounding rude, so I'll try my best. The reason your post didn't make sense is because it was poorly written, and the fact that you cited an example (pulling the trigger with a completely decocked hammer) that a properly trained person with the LEM version of this handgun would never see.

Oh, I see I need more schooling on the USP Compact. Exactly where is the "loaded chamber indicator" on this weapon? I like to do a "press check" myself to confirm a round in the chamber, how about you?

Actually, I was comparing the two because of their simplicity. Both are basically point and shoot weapons, sans all the useless thumb safeties, grip safeties, et al.

The 90% stat came from an HK Armorer's Course
According to the HK instructors you can Tap, Rack, Bang... but you can also just pull the trigger again (this does not include a squib) if you did not want to waste another round or did not have time for TRB

Civilian/Military instructors teach TRB because it is universal for SA or DAO, etc... you can do whatever you want I was just pointing out what type of things the weapon was designed with in mind. I have been taught both ways.

I'm not trying to "school" you on the HK USP, just point out some things... I hope you are joking about the Loaded Chamber indicator.... if you actually don't know.. it is part of the extractor it is colored red on top and protrudes when a round is chambered (i.e. the extractor is engaged). I hope you are joking about the press check....for your own sake.

-why don't you do yourself a favor and read the LEM manual before you start pulling the trigger to check if a round is chambered

http://www.thumpershole.com/gun_manu...ct_lem_man.pdf


I was not refering to you about the Glock.

What's wrong with doing a press check?

Dude, you're unbelievable. How did I know that "Mr. Know it all" was going to jump all over that one? I guess I'll have to be a little more obvious with my sarcasm next time.

Yeah Ryan....thanks, I'll do that right away. You mean I can't just shine a flashlight down the barrel, and check that way?

And no Ryan.....you don't have to answer that last question.

Archie, you can call me whatever you want.. whatever makes you happy inside:
I just told you how the gun works. The same information is available from HK. I said the gun is almost like a SA/DA (true)... you jumped all over that one... you said what I said didn't make any sense... I cleared it up...you asked a series of questions... I gave you the answers according to HK almost verbatim.... you challenged my responses... I tried to back them up....

If you are getting your panties in a twist about that I'm sorry.

Sarcasm.. yeah sorry I didn't get that... some people aren't joking about stuff like that, hence why an airline pilot blew a hole through the cockpit.

For those of you fond of German engineering, the Walther P99 .40 is an alternative. I looked at Glock, H&K, and others and went with Walther. I haven't regretted the decision.

Dude, you're a pilot (I think). You really need to develop a sense of humor; it's beneficial to your crew and yourself.

OBTW, it wasn't sarcasm, joking, or humor that caused that AD in the US Air cockpit, but you probably already knew that.

Would you 2 idiots get a room already! For pete's sake.

Does anyone know if FFDO's can still pack heat on Furlough?

Before going to training, you need to be an active employee of the airline, not on mil leave. I'd say furlough would be a no go.

FFDO's are required to return all of their issued equipment when they are fired, furloughed, retire, or are not actively employed as an airline pilot.

The press check is how we are taught if you go thru the program.

Probably not a huge deal in this case, but I really don't think we should discuss anything taught at FLETC no matter how benign it may seem...

So does anyone have the link for the glock special pricing for pilots?

How about the press check is the way we were taught going through the deputy sheriff program. Better?:cool:

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Boost,

Check the union website under the security committee(FDX) for your "special agent" rep. The link and information were under the program updates about 2 years ago. If you can't find it, email the union program rep. and ask him for it.

I agree with putting the kibosh on discussions regarding training for those in the program. If you want to talk about shooting in general have at it, but leave the program stuff out. No point.

But if you want to debate shooting, I'll throw some red meat on the table:

1911s are not the end all and be all of the shooting world.

Ready. Set. Go......

Might be a valid question if Glocks were the issued weapon..........but....alas......they are not.

Just for some helpful info - CAG the Army's elite no longer carry 1911's - They had too many issues in the sand. The final two pistols came down between the Glock 22 (.40) and the Springfield XD. The Glock topped the XD in the -40F shoot. So they're carrying Glock's now (compensated, match trigger, and a few other goodies).

the HK P7M8 is a really cool little pistol... you just can't miss with it... gas operated, low recoil...little pricey though

Well, anything beats that POS 9mm.

Still like the 1911 trigger over the HK and will take the quality in the HK over the Glock. 8000 rounds thru the HK before the first jam and that was very likely a bad round.

Who was manufacturing the 1911's that had the problem with sand?

As much as I hate the 1911 and 9mm - they were selected because of the battlefield availability of the NATO 9mm round.

The theory being you expend all your ammo and find more on the next body you come past... but if I ever expended all of my 1911 ammo, I would have had a really poor day to start with.

My favorite is the SIG P229 .357 , perfect grip, accurate as hell. Takes a lick'in and keeps on tick'in.

I do believe that the 1911 45 cal was selected to replace the 38 revolver due to its knock down power. If you got a peice of them with the 45 it stopped them the 38 ( or 9mm ) they could still kill you.

There seems to be a fair availability of rebuilt 9mm , rumor has it that our guys are really unhappy with the performance in the rough environment.

There are certain USMC and Army units that still use the 1911 .45, some other SOCOM units use the Mark 23 .45... I think USASF still might use the M9. The USCG even kicked the 9mm in favor of the .40. FBI kicked the .38 in favor of the .40 after some disappointing fights... I guess the .38 would bounce off of the windshields instead of penetrating.

Some lower line 1911s can suck though.

The only 1911's that I have used are colts manufactured in the late sixties and the early seventies and the Smith and Wesson and after some stove pipe issues during the break in on the Colts haven't had a problem.