Just heard from my sister in law that there is a proposal called SB 2099 that runs through the finance committee of the Senate. It in a nutshell satates that each gn owner would have to pay a tax of $50.00 per weapon owned. Anybody else hear of such a thing. And right after I ordered my HK under the Pilot pistol program.

Google and 3 minutes...

snopes.com: Handgun Safety and Registration Act

Somewhat true, gun manufacturers would have to pay(I'm sure they'd pass the cost along), but you'd have to register your guns...

Sorry,

Snopes has a bias that I wouldn't trust on issues like this. However, I am quoting another source with bias. What they say on the matter is probably more authoritative.

NRA-ILA :: Clearing Up the Rumors: The Truth About The ?Gun Tax Bill?

A question on the HK pilot offer -

The HK website says the offer expires in October. Does this mean the program is ending forever, or is this like when a Dominos Pizza coupon expires and the next day there's a new coupon?

Have there been expiration dates in the past?

I'm wondering if the expiration just means the price will go up again, or if the offer is done for good.

Thanks,

Boomer

Where on the website did you see this?

Click on the link and you'll see the expiration date at the bottom (in red).

I know the price has gone up twice in the past, so I'm wondering if the current price is expiring or the entire offer is expiring?

Give me a break! How is Snopes more biased than the whack jobs @ the NRA??

Yeah, whatever.

Because.....you frickin whack job...the NRA happens to tell the truth on this matter. Even though they may have bias in this matter, (which by the way I acknowledged in the original post) They debunked the rumours on this issue, contrary to what you might think they'd do. They'd rather not people get spun up about something that isn't a threat, they'd rather have people spend their energies fighting something that is a threat.

Snopes is known to be run as an opinion site by a married couple. If you look around it long enough you will see the bias. I figure if the NRA says not to worry about a certain piece of legislation regarding gun rights, then it probably isn't a threat since they are the first to rise at any attempt at curtailing 2nd amendment rights.

Did you go to the link I posted and read it? Or did you just assume you know what it said by making inaccurate assumptions about the NRA?

Let me guess your political inclination.

I've been using Snopes for a long time. I've never noticed the bias. I have noticed that most debunking that I've seen on Snopes has been backed up with actual references. Maybe that's the bias you're talking about...The facts? :eek:

In fact...If your post was a Snopes article...It would have references at the bottom, with links to the "biased" articles.

By the way...Did you go to the Snopes link and read it?

Yes, I went to the link and, as usual, the "whack jobs" at the NRA were spewing the same BS. I guess it is safe to assume that you're a whack job extraordinaire biased member. I put more trust in the bias of Fox News, let alone Snopes over the nut jobs at the NRA. So, again. Whatever. Your opinion is duly noted.

Let me guess yours.:rolleyes:

Well ... then it must be a good source!*? :eek:

Exactly!! Thank you for your vote of confidence.:D:rolleyes:

My Point was
 

That if even the NRA was de-bunking this, then it is fairly well de-bunked because they have a dog in the fight and would not debunk it if they felt threatened by the bill. If the one most affected by the bill if true debunks it, then I say it is fairly debunked.

For example....if Mary says......don't worry about it....it won't affect Joe.....that may or may not be a definitive statement about whether it really will affect Joe.

If Joe says...."I'm not worried about that. It won't affect me" then that is a more definitive statement.

Is this the BS you were talking about?


Friday, May 29, 2009


In the last few weeks, NRA-ILA has received hundreds of e-mails warning us about “SB-2099,” a bill that would supposedly require you to report all your guns on your income tax return every April 15.

Like many rumors, there’s just a grain of truth to this one. Someone’s recycling an old alert, which wasn’t even very accurate when it was new.

There actually was a U.S. Senate bill with that number that would have taxed handguns—nine years ago. It was introduced by anti-gun Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and it would have included handguns under the National Firearms Act’s tax and registration scheme. This has nothing to do with anyone’s Form 1040, of course.

Fortunately, S. 2099 disappeared without any action by the Senate, back when Bill Clinton was still in the White House. We reported about it back then, just as we report about new anti-gun bills every week. Now, it’s time for gun owners to drop this old distraction and focus on the real threats at hand.

Yes I did. It said largely the same thing as the NRA article. But since the NRA_ILA specializes in gun legislation as a full-time pursuit, they might be a little more authoritative when it comes to people who are worried about this kind of legislation.

I was attempting to lend creedence to the position that this particular resolution posed no threat since many believe Snopes has a political agenda. I do not deny NRA_ILA has a political agenda.

What part of the NRA article was not factual?

So is the offer going to expire?

I am an NRA member, but not a fanatic, as I think most members are not fanatics. The NRA is a group focused on a particular interest, like any PAC. There are much larger issues at stake where the majority of the populace has no real representation, as it is under our current 2 party system, but I digress.

As far as the offer expiring, I don't know. If you are worried about it, just take advantage of the offer now, it is a good deal. I did a year ago and have been very pleased with the hardware.
Just do it.
WG

yes it is expiring, it says so on the web page to order your gun....

I wrote to their customer service and got this,

"Only that order form will expire. We should have a new one ready on Nov 1st.


HK Customer Service
5675 Transport Blvd.
Columbus, GA 31907
Tel: (706) 568-1906
Fax: (706) 568-9151
www.hk-usa.com

Didn't read the whole thread, but here's a pretty good deal for pilots if ya'll didn't know about it already:

Gun for Sale - Discounts for Qualified Customers

A price increase is probably on the way with the new form. I paid $495 for mine awhile back, it's abit more now. ($515?) The 12rd mags are readily available from a couple different sources if your state allows them. I bought a couple online for 35 bucks a piece. The gun ships with 10rd magazines.

How about a link for the 12's? Thanks

Get a riggers belt. You can pick one up at the exchange on the base when you get there. Try it on before you buy it... they run small.

Or you can try here: OfficerStore.com: Yates: Last Chance Belt This looks to be the kind that the FAMS instructors wear.

The tighter and wider your belt-the better while you're at the range.Good luck.

marco

sorry for the stupid question, but for those in the know, the form states: Copy of a Federal Firearms License (FFL), signed in ink by license
holder, where you wish to have your HK USP40 Compact shipped
(usually a local gun shop or sporting goods store).

If you are not a FFDO and don't have a carrying permit, how does one have a FFL? and can the weapon not be shipped to your home?

thanks in advance for the help

You do not need to have a Federal Firearms License to own or carry a weapon, but you do have to have one to ship or receive modern firearms.

If you're looking to have a gun shipped to you, most local guns shops will accept shipments for a marginal ($20-30) fee.

The weapon CANNOT be shipped to your house ( see Lee Harvey Oswald ) and it must go thru a local shop. Most smaller shops will do this for a small fee, or gratis if they are law enforcement friendly. FFL -Federal Firearms License, is so you can sell to the general public.

thanks for the response. glad to see the gun shops and sporting good stores have their hand in the cookie jar for simply accepting the weapon on your behalf. still, a good deal with the discount HK is offering.

thanks for the info on the FFL as well. I'm up to speed, time to scrape up my meager regional FO wages and make the purchase.

Here's another tidbit I'm not sure has been mentioned in this thread: you can buy any Glock at the LEO price from any gun shop that does law enforcement sales...and all you have to do is show your Commercial or ATP certificate!

Here's a link to the form...

In their defense, the transfer of a firearm by an FFL holder requires some paperwork. Since gun shops are a business, I don't see anything wrong with charging a nominal fee for this service. You may be able to find an FFL holder that is willing to do it for free.

Personally I like the Glocks better, and they offer great deals to pilots.

12rd mags
 

Check your PM''s, links to a couple sites.

Thanks for the form. I couldn't find it in the form where pilots would qualify?

Look into what it takes to get a FFL. It's not that simple and the record keeping is fairly strict. They also have to run the background check before they transfer the gun. I thought about getting mine, but in the long run, it is not worth it. Much cheaper to pay the occasional $20-25 for the transfer.

It doesn't actually say that on the form, but if you call Glock's service department they'll confirm it.

I know a few folks who have ordered theirs via this form and a copy of their pilot certificate, and others who made the purchase at a Glock LEO dealer in person.

If I didn't already have a P229 and a G19, I'd be all over this...:D

Riggers belt is great for training, but not very good for uniform wear. If you only plan to buy one gun belt, I would suggest putting the money for a riggers belt towards something along the lines of Galco Dress Gun Belt... It's just a super reinforced belt designed to handle the extra weight of a firearm, but otherwise just a normal looking belt that doesn't scream shoot me first. Here is a linky to a my favorite belt on Galco's website, but I ordered mine from MidwayUSA for about $60. It's well worth the money either way and you probably need a new dress belt anyway.

Galco holsters; Holsters; Gun holster, pistol holsters, western holsters, shoulder holsters, leather holster and Glock holsters

If you are a military reservist check these guys out, best prices I have seen. Easy paperwork drill. They sent it UPS to my house, they have the FFL.

www.usglock.com

Cabelas near AFW received my HK for me for free.

I went to the store, Cabelas faxed a copy of their FFL (license) directly to HK referencing my name and order info.

HK shipped the gun directly to the Cabelas store, charged my credit card, notified me that it was shipped to Cabelas.

I went to the store and picked it up - no extra charge from Cabelas.

Sweet deal - almost a $400 discount off Cabelas price! :)

ATTN gun nuts

Glock 23 .40 sw versus the HK gun...........any thoughts, recommendations

I like the HK better. Machining is better and no stamped parts never had a feed problem. Easy to break down and clean. Trigger design is the same just better executed on the HK. Magazine has a floor plate design problem which can show up if your not carefull, base displaces and doesn't allow the magazine to lock in place.

I recall seeing somewhere that there was a 357 S+G barrel swap for the USP40 comp.
Wasn't sure of it was for law enforcement only though. :confused: