FFDO gun program
 

Does HK still offer a USP .40 for $499 to pilots? Anyone have a link?

Thanks-

Haz

Here ya go http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf

I suggest buying a few extra Mags with the order. They are at a good price as well.

Thanks....

Something to keep the wolverines at bay?

You can get the same deal at Sportsman's Warehouse on Winchester/Hacks Cross if you are in Memphis. One of our pilot's son's works in the gun dept. I got the same deal on a Springfield XD.

Yea but it doesn't have the law enforcement mod.

cargo pilots can purchase one
HK USP40 Compact LEM pistol, as specially
configured for several government agencies

If you attend FFDO training do they issue a H/K or do you need to purchase this one?

A pistol is issued to the FFDO.

This pistol offer is for pilots who chose to purchase the same weapon for personal use.

What exactly is the law enforcement modification?

It makes you crave donuts:D Actually it has a trigger that does not have to be completely released to reset, allowing you to shoot multiple rounds quicker.

I think it is a much lighter pull on the trigger also. and like HIFLYR said is much faster when you get use to it.

Sorry I failed to mention that...........

got a good deal on a personal piece anyway;)

For those of you that have completed the FFDO training, what kind, or type of belt do you recommend that is good and sturdy for the holster?

I was finally approved and will be attending training in late September.

You answered your own question - "good and sturdy." Just abandon the slim, little dress belts for a heavy leather belt and you'll be fine. I got mine at Target and it's been great for a long time now.

The best belt you can get is a Galco. Get the inch and a quarter dress belt. It will fit your regular dress pants as well as the holster. Don't bother with the "pre-fit" belt. Wear the regular one and it will conform to your waist within a few weeks.

Here is the link to Galco's website, but shop around and get a better price. Just google Galco gun belt and you'll find some "Cop Shops" that will have the belts for a good deal less.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterP2.asp
I bought a belt from this site:
Galco Belts - Galco Gun Belts - Galco pistol Belts - FREE UPS

These belts are reinforced and will hold the load of the gun well.

"Front sight, press..."

If you get a piece good or bad it's a good deal. :rolleyes:

ummmm.....ok

Another issue with this weapon is that it has no safety. Once you load a clip and jack a round into the chamber, there is no way to release the hammer. (By the way for the moderator, the term decock is not ponographic...geez...) Not sure that's part of the LE version, but something to consider if you intend to carry this weapon for personal protection.

Also: The deal is for all airline pilots.... not just FFDO's.

If there is a pilot out there willing to make a quick $100.00 I would like to buy more than one, using your allotment as they only allow one per pilot. I bought mine already, but have the urge to get one or two more.

PM me

(Due to some negative comments.. I have added the following)

(Details) Offer to buy your HK....

Some people can be soooo negative, but a pistol can be sold between private parties with minimal hassle. I strongly recommend you involve a FFL or Local Gun dealership for the transfer.

I will happily provide for your review: a copy of my airline ID, CCW permit, a FLETC graduation certificate, and my FFL information.

If there is someone who does not plan to exercise their HK discount, I would like to buy one or two. $100.00, paid direct to you.

That's the beauty of this weapon.....simplicity. While the LEM model doesn't have a traditional thumb safety, it does have 3 internal safeties: a firing pin safety block, a disconnector, and a double action mode hammer interception notch, which prevents the weapon from discharging if it is inadvertently dropped. You don't have a decocking hammer, because you don't need one.

This weapon is double action only, and you get the same trigger pull every time (unlike weapons that are both single and double action). I find this weapon very similar to a Glock, in that you just point and shoot, and that you get the same trigger pull all the time. Great piece of gear.

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Anybody else think some of this discussion is FOUO (for official use only) and maybe shouldn't be discussed here? :eek::eek::eek: Maybe we should discuss "defensive tactics" philosophy also? Maybe not?

Trying to drive the price up, OK I'll give you 125.;)

Great Plan. Use my name to purchase a law enforcement style weapon with a unique serial number and then sell it to someone I saw post a request on the internet to make a hundred bucks. This sounds like an old Saturday Night Live routine where even the dumbest dude in the audience is not fooled.

Fish

For those of you that have completed the FFDO training, what kind, or type of belt do you recommend that is good and sturdy for the holster?

I've used the Beltman for several years. He makes belts for some of the holster suppliers. Gun Belts by The Belt Man

The DA/SA version of the USPC is a lot better personally the trigger pull is better SA crisper, and the 1911 style decocker/safety... especially as a home defense, ccw weapon... the LEM is a little longer and heavier than a similar Glock.

The LEM action actually gives you two slightly different trigger pulls, the LEM is almost a DA/SA, the advantage is the trigger is about 90% cocked (5-7-8lbs; depending on the variant)LEM with the slide racked, repeat shot (dead round) the spring would need to be fully compressed which the trigger pull is around 11-12lbs at that time.

Almost any pistol is a "law enforcement style weapon", depending on your state the serial number is not registered. Usually you can only sell it to a resident (with proof of ID) of your own state, unless it is shipped via FFL... and then the purchaser would need a backround check and wait period (if that person does not have a CWP).
People sell guns via the internet all of the time, however there are rules to follow.

Lonestar Pilot: I'd recommend the Galco Skyops holster, it is an Inside the pants leather holster, fits the weapon well... conceals well with a J or C hook around your belt.. however it does not secure the top of the weapon as it is an IWB holster.

That's an incredible deal for an incredible handgun. It's worth reading about the USP's big brother, the MK23, to see the reliability testing this type of gun went through if you're interested in buying it. Also, the Achilles Heel of the USP in the magazine. I highly suggest not lubing the mags and not keeping the mag springs compressed, as this can jam (failure to feed) the unjamable gun. Upgrading to Wolff mag springs, in my opinion, is well worth it.

What grain are you guys shooting for the 40sw?

That's your opinion. Personally, I don't want to be screwing around with a thumb safety when I need my weapon in a life and death situation. As for the trigger pull, sure the single action is nice.....but how do you like that 10 pound double action pull? I'll tell you, it sucks because it's totally different than the single action trigger pull.

This makes no sense. How is the LEM almost a DA/SA? The trigger pull on a LEM is approximately 7 pounds every time on a properly loaded weapon. How are you ever going to have a 11-12 pound trigger pull with a weapon that is properly loaded? The only way you could get the heavy trigger pull on the LEM is if you pull the trigger on an empty weapon, after you have dropped the hammer once on that empty weapon.

Yeah I was thinking that too. I'd hate for the bad guys to find out what kind of belt I'm wearing and how good of a deal it was. [/sarcasm]

You beat me to it........:rolleyes:

(Details) Offer to buy your HK....

Some people can be soooo negative, but a pistol can be sold between private parties with minimal hassle. That said - I strongly recommend you involve a FFL or Local Gun dealership for the transfer to alleviate any possible liability under the law .

I will happily provide for your review: a copy of my airline ID, CCW permit, and a FLETC graduation certificate, and my FFL information.

If there is someone who does not plan to exercise their HK discount, I would like to buy one or two. $100.00, paid direct to you.

1) Everyone is different, I carry the DA/SA version of the USPC.. if you have ever used it the thumb safety is natural to pull down in one sweeping motion and the trigger pull is perfect each time (much like a 1911- that's how it was designed) The DA pull is heavy yes, but not heavier than the DA pull of the LEM. Not everyone likes manual safeties... the Glock was designed with this im mind, however the glock safety is more for peace of mind than application as you have to pull the trigger to fire the weapon anyway.

2) If you read exactly what I said before you'll see that I was refering to the "second trigger on an empty weapon"... FTF (failure to fire) is much like an empty weapon (which is its true DAO, the Glock is a SAO and does not have this feature). I'm not sure if you know exactly how the LEM works but here it is step by step:

The LEM light action system uses a two-piece hammer arrangement such that when a round is chambered (by racking the slide) the lower, unseen part of the hammer is brought to full **** position and the hammer spring compressed. The hammer “spur”, follows the slide forward and the pistol appears to be “decocked” but the pistol is still in a 90% cocked condition.
When you shoot, as you pull the trigger the hammer will come back to the full **** position. As you reach the release pull weight, the trigger will release the hammer and the pistol will fire. If you hold the trigger fully to the rear as the pistol cycles the next round, you only have to let off the trigger .3 inch to reset the trigger. At that point the same amount of trigger pull weight, except for the long take up, will fire the pistol again. You will notice that after the pistol fires the hammer will be in the full **** position if you did not release the trigger, but as you release the trigger to reset the trigger, the hammer goes forward about 1/3 the way. After reset, as you pull the trigger again the hammer comes back again to full ****. If you release the trigger all the way then the hammer will go all the way forward into the “decocked” position, but remember, the hammer spring is still fully compressed and ready to fire and will do so with a light, but long pull of the trigger. The hammer spring cannot be decompressed without pulling the trigger so if you wish to do this, there had better not be a round in the chamber!

The LEM also has repeat strike capability. If for some reason the pistol does not fire, and you wish to try to ignite the round again, you do not need to rack the slide to pre-load the hammer spring. You only need to pull the trigger again which will fully compress the hammer spring and release the hammer. However, starting from the fully uncompressed hammer spring condition the pull weight will be between 11 and 13 pounds, similar to the DA pull on the non LEM USP/C. After the round fires or you rack the slide (which pre-loads the hammer spring), you will again have the light LEM pull.


The intent of the design is basically a pre-loaded DAO, which uses an longer initial pull as a "safety"... this is of course an almost cocked DA/SA...since when the round is cycled it compresses the hammer spring just like a SA.

I think what you are asking is not legal. I do not think you can buy a gun with the intent of selling it to someone else. I do know you cannot sell to someone else in a different state. Also, this is a good deal given to us by HK why mess it up for the rest of the pilot group. If HK finds out that some crew "members":D are doing what you are asking they may shut down the program for the rest of the pilot group. Here is a link from the NRA site discussing gun transfer laws. http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60

Do not be the kind of guy who screws up a good deal for the other crews.

You are correct. The person that buys the gun with the intention of selling it to another person would become a "straw dealer". Its a Federal felony.

TH1

Anybody know if this thing is legal for a non-FFDO in the People's Republic of Kalifornia?

Actually this only applies if the person receiving the weapon is otherwise prohibited from owning it. However, the BATFE has been known to be rather enthusiastic about prosecution without all the requirements for a violation being met. Even if both parties are as pure as the driven snow, it is something to be cautious about. Since there are over 20,000 Federal, State and Local gun laws on the books it is easy to run afoul of a local or State law even if you are not violating a Federal law.

"The records kept by FFLs also enable the ATF to trace firearms recovered by LEAs to learn when those firearms were purchased and by whom. According to the ATF, less than 5 percent of firearms are used in violent crimes by the person who originally purchased the gun from an FFL. Guns used in violent crime are generally acquired through a secondary market of traffickers and "straw purchasers" (individuals that buy firearms for prohibited individuals).20 Nonetheless, tracing is a significant investigative tool because it can provide investigators leads to the subsequent purchaser(s) of the firearm."

The weapon is legal in the People's Republic...
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

It is sold with a 10rd mag specifically for CA regs.

Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

-this website will give you the items needed to get a transfer of the weapon to a FFL near you

All of this good info, notwithstanding, THIS is the weapon I would want to be packing when push comes to shove: YouTube - AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun!

You folks are VERY helpful with the good information. Thank you.

Now, does anyone know what is necessary for someone who has no plans to CCW (local Sheriff does not believe in the 2nd Amendment) -and lives in The People's Republic, where very few elected officials believe in the 2nd Amendment.

I just want to buy one to keep at home. What is the process to get the qualifying paperwork? - I have never looked into it. I am gun savvy . . took the NRA 'Safety' course as a youngster. Hunted growing up, carried one on missions -Retired Navy Pilot, airline pilot - don't have as much as a parking ticket on my record.

Any help? Thanks in advance.