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Archie Bunker 08-21-2008 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by FDXFLYR (Post 447723)
Another issue with this weapon is that it has no safety. Once you load a clip and jack a round into the chamber, there is no way to release the hammer. (By the way for the moderator, the term decock is not ponographic...geez...) Not sure that's part of the LE version, but something to consider if you intend to carry this weapon for personal protection.

That's the beauty of this weapon.....simplicity. While the LEM model doesn't have a traditional thumb safety, it does have 3 internal safeties: a firing pin safety block, a disconnector, and a double action mode hammer interception notch, which prevents the weapon from discharging if it is inadvertently dropped. You don't have a decocking hammer, because you don't need one.

This weapon is double action only, and you get the same trigger pull every time (unlike weapons that are both single and double action). I find this weapon very similar to a Glock, in that you just point and shoot, and that you get the same trigger pull all the time. Great piece of gear.

fishalaska 08-21-2008 05:42 PM

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MaydayMark 08-21-2008 05:44 PM

Anybody else think some of this discussion is FOUO (for official use only) and maybe shouldn't be discussed here? :eek::eek::eek: Maybe we should discuss "defensive tactics" philosophy also? Maybe not?

FDXLAG 08-21-2008 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by fishalaska (Post 447850)
Great Plan. Use my name to purchase a law enforcement style weapon with a unique serial number and then sell it to someone I saw post a request on the internet to make a hundred bucks. This sounds like an old Saturday Night Live routine where even the dumbest dude in the audience is not fooled.

Fish

Trying to drive the price up, OK I'll give you 125.;)

fishalaska 08-21-2008 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by BrandedPilot (Post 447731)
Also: The deal is for all airline pilots.... not just FFDO's.

If there is a pilot out there willing to make a quick $100.00 I would like to buy more than one, using your allotment as they only allow one per pilot. I bought mine already, but have the urge to get one or two more.

PM me



Great Plan. Use my name to purchase a law enforcement style weapon with a unique serial number and then sell it to someone I saw post a request on the internet to make a hundred bucks. This sounds like an old Saturday Night Live routine where even the dumbest dude in the audience is not fooled.

Fish

Lonestarpilot 08-21-2008 08:56 PM

For those of you that have completed the FFDO training, what kind, or type of belt do you recommend that is good and sturdy for the holster?

I've used the Beltman for several years. He makes belts for some of the holster suppliers. Gun Belts by The Belt Man

ryan1234 08-21-2008 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 447780)
That's the beauty of this weapon.....simplicity. While the LEM model doesn't have a traditional thumb safety, it does have 3 internal safeties: a firing pin safety block, a disconnector, and a double action mode hammer interception notch, which prevents the weapon from discharging if it is inadvertently dropped. You don't have a decocking hammer, because you don't need one.

This weapon is double action only, and you get the same trigger pull every time (unlike weapons that are both single and double action). I find this weapon very similar to a Glock, in that you just point and shoot, and that you get the same trigger pull all the time. Great piece of gear.

The DA/SA version of the USPC is a lot better personally the trigger pull is better SA crisper, and the 1911 style decocker/safety... especially as a home defense, ccw weapon... the LEM is a little longer and heavier than a similar Glock.

The LEM action actually gives you two slightly different trigger pulls, the LEM is almost a DA/SA, the advantage is the trigger is about 90% cocked (5-7-8lbs; depending on the variant)LEM with the slide racked, repeat shot (dead round) the spring would need to be fully compressed which the trigger pull is around 11-12lbs at that time.

ryan1234 08-21-2008 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by fishalaska (Post 447854)
Great Plan. Use my name to purchase a law enforcement style weapon with a unique serial number and then sell it to someone I saw post a request on the internet to make a hundred bucks. This sounds like an old Saturday Night Live routine where even the dumbest dude in the audience is not fooled.

Fish

Almost any pistol is a "law enforcement style weapon", depending on your state the serial number is not registered. Usually you can only sell it to a resident (with proof of ID) of your own state, unless it is shipped via FFL... and then the purchaser would need a backround check and wait period (if that person does not have a CWP).
People sell guns via the internet all of the time, however there are rules to follow.

Lonestar Pilot: I'd recommend the Galco Skyops holster, it is an Inside the pants leather holster, fits the weapon well... conceals well with a J or C hook around your belt.. however it does not secure the top of the weapon as it is an IWB holster.

UPSDISPATCHER 08-22-2008 12:14 AM

That's an incredible deal for an incredible handgun. It's worth reading about the USP's big brother, the MK23, to see the reliability testing this type of gun went through if you're interested in buying it. Also, the Achilles Heel of the USP in the magazine. I highly suggest not lubing the mags and not keeping the mag springs compressed, as this can jam (failure to feed) the unjamable gun. Upgrading to Wolff mag springs, in my opinion, is well worth it.

What grain are you guys shooting for the 40sw?

Archie Bunker 08-22-2008 02:51 AM


Originally Posted by ryan1234 (Post 447949)
The DA/SA version of the USPC is a lot better personally the trigger pull is better SA crisper, and the 1911 style decocker/safety... especially as a home defense, ccw weapon...

That's your opinion. Personally, I don't want to be screwing around with a thumb safety when I need my weapon in a life and death situation. As for the trigger pull, sure the single action is nice.....but how do you like that 10 pound double action pull? I'll tell you, it sucks because it's totally different than the single action trigger pull.


Originally Posted by ryan1234
The LEM action actually gives you two slightly different trigger pulls, the LEM is almost a DA/SA, the advantage is the trigger is about 90% cocked (5-7-8lbs; depending on the variant)LEM with the slide racked, repeat shot (dead round) the spring would need to be fully compressed which the trigger pull is around 11-12lbs at that time.

This makes no sense. How is the LEM almost a DA/SA? The trigger pull on a LEM is approximately 7 pounds every time on a properly loaded weapon. How are you ever going to have a 11-12 pound trigger pull with a weapon that is properly loaded? The only way you could get the heavy trigger pull on the LEM is if you pull the trigger on an empty weapon, after you have dropped the hammer once on that empty weapon.


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