Could someone please confirm whether or not with this gun, if you load a magazine and chamber a round, is there no way to decock the hammer? If not, will that harm the mechanical integrity of the gun over time?

Thanks

It's the same as a Glock. No hammer to decock. It won't harm the integrity. Glock Talk if you want to read more about these type guns.

The safety is between your ears. Don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to shoot what the gun is pointed at.

I would like to refrain from sounding rude so I'll try my best....
FTF is the reason why the LEM trigger was designed as opposed to a longer SAO (like the Glock), 90% of the time the "bad" round will fire once the hammer is dropped again (maybe not seated right due to carbon in the extractor,etc)... the situation is very rare with HKs because the spring is so powerful, however instead of racking the slide, re-chambering a new round (like you would on the Glock) you can just pull the trigger again...potentially saving your life (assuming you knew how to use it in the first place). I will never feel my DA unless I choose to carry without a safety decocked or a FTF situation. HK DA is not as bad as you might think, the pull is true all the way, get's a little heavier at the end and breaks clean and crisp. Anyone can shoot fine either way with a small amount of practice.

As far as having a safety goes... if you don't need one that's fine... I just prefer a lighter very short trigger pull everytime, mine is at about 4lbs SA. The LEM is a long trigger pull... I just don't prefer that.

Obviously you are not familiar with the trigger system as you didn't know what I was talking about. I hate to get technical, but since you said it didn't make sense I thought I'd clarify. There is also a loaded chamber indicator so you wouldn't have to pull the trigger to "find out".

If you read what I wrote about the operation you'll see that there are two hammers, internal remains cocked, external remains almost "decocked". No it will not harm the weapon... leaving you mags loaded for a long time can cause misfeeds, not cleaning your weapon after each time you shoot it will harm your weapon. Over lubricating your weapon will harm it, as will under lubricating it. I use a synthetic luberication as some regular gun oil burns up quickly when firing.

If you read my previous post about the operation of the LEM you see that it does have a hammer (2), Glock uses a striker fire mechanism that works totally different.

Yeah....90% of the time the "bad" round will fire once you pull the trigger a second time. First off, where did you pick up that little pearl of wisdom? Second of all, what pistol instructor taught you to pull the trigger a second time on a FTF with a semi-automatic handgun? Every instructor I've ever had (military and civilian) taught me to tap, rack, and re-engage the threat when the weapon goes click. Call me crazy, but I think I'll stick with that method.

Ryan, I would like to refrain from sounding rude, so I'll try my best. The reason your post didn't make sense is because it was poorly written, and the fact that you cited an example (pulling the trigger with a completely decocked hammer) that a properly trained person with the LEM version of this handgun would never see.

Oh, I see I need more schooling on the USP Compact. Exactly where is the "loaded chamber indicator" on this weapon? I like to do a "press check" myself to confirm a round in the chamber, how about you?

Actually, I was comparing the two because of their simplicity. Both are basically point and shoot weapons, sans all the useless thumb safeties, grip safeties, et al.

The 90% stat came from an HK Armorer's Course
According to the HK instructors you can Tap, Rack, Bang... but you can also just pull the trigger again (this does not include a squib) if you did not want to waste another round or did not have time for TRB

Civilian/Military instructors teach TRB because it is universal for SA or DAO, etc... you can do whatever you want I was just pointing out what type of things the weapon was designed with in mind. I have been taught both ways.

I'm not trying to "school" you on the HK USP, just point out some things... I hope you are joking about the Loaded Chamber indicator.... if you actually don't know.. it is part of the extractor it is colored red on top and protrudes when a round is chambered (i.e. the extractor is engaged). I hope you are joking about the press check....for your own sake.

-why don't you do yourself a favor and read the LEM manual before you start pulling the trigger to check if a round is chambered

http://www.thumpershole.com/gun_manu...ct_lem_man.pdf


I was not refering to you about the Glock.

What's wrong with doing a press check?

Dude, you're unbelievable. How did I know that "Mr. Know it all" was going to jump all over that one? I guess I'll have to be a little more obvious with my sarcasm next time.

Yeah Ryan....thanks, I'll do that right away. You mean I can't just shine a flashlight down the barrel, and check that way?

And no Ryan.....you don't have to answer that last question.

Archie, you can call me whatever you want.. whatever makes you happy inside:
I just told you how the gun works. The same information is available from HK. I said the gun is almost like a SA/DA (true)... you jumped all over that one... you said what I said didn't make any sense... I cleared it up...you asked a series of questions... I gave you the answers according to HK almost verbatim.... you challenged my responses... I tried to back them up....

If you are getting your panties in a twist about that I'm sorry.

Sarcasm.. yeah sorry I didn't get that... some people aren't joking about stuff like that, hence why an airline pilot blew a hole through the cockpit.

For those of you fond of German engineering, the Walther P99 .40 is an alternative. I looked at Glock, H&K, and others and went with Walther. I haven't regretted the decision.