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MaxKts 08-22-2008 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by W0XOFF (Post 448218)
Retired Navy Pilot, airline pilot - don't have as much as a parking ticket on my record.


Now we know you are lying :D:D:D

W0XOFF 08-22-2008 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by MaxKts (Post 448231)
Now we know you are lying :D:D:D

Isn't that one of the prerequisites ??

Seriously . . . I have had a couple of tickets . . but know my 'Civics' and was able to 'weasel' out of them. Therefore 'no record'. You know the 'secret handshake' . .don't you?

The 'ticketing' officer has to show up in court . .so you can confront him. Always ask for a continuance.

BrandedPilot 08-22-2008 12:29 PM

Wow guys..... "straw dealer"?

"I'm one of the good guys"...using a local FFL in your community is fine with me. The reaction to this offer has been surprising.

I can see your moral argument with the good deal for airline pilots, however HK has made no statement prohibiting this type of purchase - and I would chance to say they don't care. If my wife flew in the airlines, I would just buy her share. I don't plan on hocking this one, but would like to have one at the Ranch, and one at the house.

So.... as I stated: I'm up for paying an extra $100.00 if you want to pursue a totally legal purchase of your HK LEO model, involving an FFL if you desire. I encourage you to research the law, contact your local authorities for advice, and even contact HK if you desire. In the end, lets do it right if it is do-able.

For the rest of you... take it easy.

Archie Bunker 08-22-2008 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by ryan1234 (Post 448077)
1) Everyone is different, I carry the DA/SA version of the USPC.. if you have ever used it the thumb safety is natural to pull down in one sweeping motion and the trigger pull is perfect each time (much like a 1911- that's how it was designed)

That's right, everyone is different. You think the thumb safety is natural, and it helps you achieve the perfect trigger pull....great. I don't like them or need them. Again....simplicity.


Originally Posted by ryan1234
The DA pull is heavy yes, but not heavier than the DA pull of the LEM.

This is a misleading statement. When are you ever going to pull the trigger on the LEM from from a decocked position? Answer: you're not, unless you forgot to charge a round into the chamber. In this case, you're going to know it immediately when you start to pull the trigger. Instead of the soft trigger slack that you normally feel, the trigger pull will be extremely heavy, and all you're going to hear when you finish the trigger pull is a click, because there is no round in the chamber. During normal firing procedures, when are you ever going to experience this "heavy" DA trigger pull?

In the case of a FTF, I sure wouldn't be pulling the trigger a second time (the heavy DA trigger pull that you describe) to see if the round will fire.


Originally Posted by ryan1234
2) If you read exactly what I said before you'll see that I was refering to the "second trigger on an empty weapon"... FTF (failure to fire) is much like an empty weapon (which is its true DAO, the Glock is a SAO and does not have this feature). I'm not sure if you know exactly how the LEM works but here it is step by step:

Thanks for the H&K USP Compact LEM trigger class, but I own one, and am very familiar with how the trigger works.

W0XOFF 08-22-2008 02:00 PM

OK . .so maybe I should re ask the question in a different form.

Would it be helpful to get the 'FFL'? Has anyone done this?

How much trouble is the process? Are the 'online courses' reputable? I did a Google and came up with this: Get Your FFL Now!

Does anyone have a recommendation of a course they have taken?

Should I just walk into a local gun shop? I would like to take advantage of the offer that started this thread. The local gun shop probably wants me to buy something off his shelf. Essentially . .how do I get the 'documentation' that HK needs for this offer? http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf

nitefr8dog 08-22-2008 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by W0XOFF (Post 448341)
OK . .so maybe I should re ask the question in a different form.

Would it be helpful to get the 'FFL'? Has anyone done this?

How much trouble is the process? Are the 'online courses' reputable? I did a Google and came up with this: Get Your FFL Now!

Does anyone have a recommendation of a course they have taken?

Should I just walk into a local gun shop? I would like to take advantage of the offer that started this thread. The local gun shop probably wants me to buy something off his shelf. Essentially . .how do I get the 'documentation' that HK needs for this offer? http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf

Just go to your local gunshop he will give you a signed copy of his FFL form you can fax to HK. The gun will be shipped to your gunshop. When it comes in he will call you to pick it up and charge you 25 to 30 bucks for his service happens all the time.

nitefr8dog 08-22-2008 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by FedExBusBoy (Post 447001)
You can get the same deal at Sportsman's Warehouse on Winchester/Hacks Cross if you are in Memphis. One of our pilot's son's works in the gun dept. I got the same deal on a Springfield XD.

I would muck rather have the HK.

W0XOFF 08-22-2008 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 448352)
Just go to your local gunshop he will give you a signed copy of his FFL form you can fax to HK. The gun will be shipped to your gunshop. When it comes in he will call you to pick it up and charge you 25 to 30 bucks for his service happens all the time.

I guess that is easier than studying and becoming an FFL, eh?

nitefr8dog 08-22-2008 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by W0XOFF (Post 448364)
I guess that is easier than studying and becoming an FFL, eh?

Was for me!:cool:

PILOTGUY 08-22-2008 05:16 PM

That AA-12 is amazing.

Glock also has a GREAT deal for pilots as well, but a lot of CCW people insist on carrying the same weapon on the street as they do in the cockpit, hence the second H&K.

The H&K is a great gun, but a little too bulky for CC for me.


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