And I said something different? It is business and don't ever forget that.

I don't think anyone was implying that you did, FO. I responded to that FR8K9 guy in my initial response. He was blaming ALPA for fighting the DHL/UPS deal. LOL

FWIW, it hasn't been ruled out. From a union email:

"Indeed, a top UPS official speaking to crewmembers in Cologne several weeks ago would not rule out the possibility when specifically asked."

Bear in mind that quote was from none other than Bobby Leadpipes, who if asked if he was going to kick your ass in the back alley just for fun (as he used to do with drivers in the old days) he'd say he wouldn't rule out the possibility :D. His only purpose in life is to ride herd on the pilot group. The man is the president of the airline, but didn't even know what the pointy end was called when he assumed the position (so to speak).

Another update, as I'm in ROW to pick up 803 and take it to SAT tomorrow. 803 and (later) 701 in ROW are not going to SAT for C-checks but for some lesser maintenance and records clearing. That seems to confirm what I was told by SDF MX that there is no money in the budget at this time for C-checks, and the ones planned for the rest of the year are on hold. In any case, these two should at least add to the inventory of flying aircraft.

Last week I counted 25 different DC8 tails that passed through the SDF, PHL, or RFD sorts. I'm keeping a watch for the 3 SDF "storage" aircraft to fly. They are 813, 819, and 867. I think 813 is scheduled to go to GSO later in October.

Good - weeges need to go... :D

Only about 12 days a month. The other days I'm a hustler in the adult entertainment business.

I heard you were a fluffer :-)

You sick man you. :eek:

As president, if he sais furlough, then they do it, and if the house comes down, IE can't fly the lines, he blames the union, gets a bonus and we still hit the street. When has the company ever listened to the union. My take after 18 months here is that the mangers that have been hired don't have the education or background to figure it out. They are a bunch of guys off acitive duty that didn't have what it took to be big shots, so they came here. Zero personality, leadership and lack any idea how the business works or the industry and thus don't know what is really going on. So asking your ACP is a waste of time. Better just ask man power planning, look at open time, how much reserves are flying, how many trips are being CX due to lack of load, amount of load your carrying every night verses a year ago, and what the union sais and you will find the truth somewere in the middle. Never believe either side they have agendas for saying what they do. Say we are fat and guys will be off on military leave taking those 3 to 5 year active duty/AGR jobs shooting for that active duty retirement and then all of a suden were are short and you can't get those guys back. Say we are thin, then demand we hire and when they don't, say they are stupid, IE make their credibility suffer. No one, I repeat No one, on either side will tell you were we really stand of manning, their is to much oppurtunity to look stupid or be able to show up the other side and gain some credibility. Your guess is as good as anyones. Also, I laugh at asking the old guys. Now there is a bunch of guys that are so out of touch with what is really going on and why should they care. They will never be furloughed and base everything on how things have been for the last 20 years. Well news for those guys and anyone who listens to them, things change, nothing ever stays the same. So your better off going to local palm reader to get good info on what might happen. Learn form the smart old guys, save your money, pay off your junk, keep your wife, put her to work, and always have a B plan ready to go. If this happens it will be a race for what ever jobs are left after the industry has been furloghing for a year. Well I feel better know. But wait, just to keep the pop boiling, if DHL happens we should be fine, but with the slowdown of the economy I bet no hiring will be done.