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Old 10-26-2008 | 10:52 AM
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A few weeks ago in GS, Capt."O" stated were several hundred pilots overmanned. He also said it's very expensive to conduct excess bids/furloughs and he was trying to avoid that option at all costs (I've always wondered if he as any authority in these areas or he just does what he's told?).

All-in-all, "600-1000 furloughs" seems an awful lot like a diversion tactic to me, to distract us from more important issues (maybe 777 pay, maybe a NC chairman, maybe upcoming Contract 2010 negotiations?).

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Old 10-26-2008 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
A few weeks ago in GS, Capt."O" stated were several hundred pilots overmanned. He also said it's very expensive to conduct excess bids/furloughs and he was trying to avoid that option at all costs (I've always wondered if he as any authority in these areas or he just does what he's told?).

All-in-all, "600-1000 furloughs" seems an awful lot like a diversion tactic to me, to distract us from more important issues (maybe 777 pay, maybe a NC chairman, maybe upcoming Contract 2010 negotiations?).

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So we are potentially going to furlough 13-21% of flightdeck crewmembers?
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Old 10-26-2008 | 11:12 AM
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So we are potentially going to furlough 13-21% of flightdeck crewmembers?
I don't believe I said that? In fact, I suggested it's much more likely a "head fake" to distract us from more important issues. Not sure where you are coming from Al?
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Old 10-26-2008 | 11:16 AM
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I don't believe I said that? In fact, I suggested it's much more likely a "head fake" to distract us from more important issues. Not sure where you are coming from Al?
Settle down, I am not accusing you of anything, just provide context for these incredibly high numbers of "potential" furloughs. BTW, I agree with you about the "head fake."
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Old 10-26-2008 | 11:25 AM
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High overmanning numbers indicate a prediction that flying hours will be reduced.

No prediction on my part, just trying to understand a rumor heard in this thread.

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Old 10-26-2008 | 01:22 PM
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When I first heard of FE getting fired I immediately wrote my block rep and asked for answers. 2 weeks later and nothing but crickets chirping in my in-box.

I posted on another related thread that I knew from very reliable sources that FE was fired. "JagPilot" and "JohnMobilian" stated the same. I don't know where others, who claimed otherwise, got their information but we knew the real story and tried to convey it to everyone on this forum.
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Old 10-26-2008 | 01:50 PM
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600 people eliminates 64% of the S/O's in the 72 (203 of 315).
600 people eliminates 37% of the F/O's in the 72 (103 of 280).
600 people eliminates 71% of the F/O's in the Bus in HKG (10 of 14).
600 people eliminates 50% of the F/O's in the 11 in ANC (117 of 234).
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Old 10-26-2008 | 02:15 PM
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Disappointed. We have to get beyond this type of closed door nonsense, there is too much at stake right now.
All valid points. So, what do we do? How can we pry the door open so that we feel represented instead of mislead?
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Old 10-26-2008 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
I am not in denial that there might be furloughs, but those numbers seem really high. If one reads the canceled excess bid as an indicator, 150-200 pilots had nowhere to go. I did this by looking at how many 727 S/Os were there in the end, and calculating the crewing level. I think there were something like 150 to 200 extra bodies. 600-1000 seems like Great Depression levels to me. But what do I know?
Hey, I do agree. I am only putting forth the numbers that I heard from that very reliable source. You saying it's unrealistic is spot on. That validates my theory that an excess/furlough announcement would be a type of collusion/manipulation/persuasion to get a 777 LOA passed.
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Old 10-26-2008 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
A few weeks ago in GS, Capt."O" stated were several hundred pilots overmanned. He also said it's very expensive to conduct excess bids/furloughs and he was trying to avoid that option at all costs (I've always wondered if he as any authority in these areas or he just does what he's told?).

All-in-all, "600-1000 furloughs" seems an awful lot like a diversion tactic to me, to distract us from more important issues (maybe 777 pay, maybe a NC chairman, maybe upcoming Contract 2010 negotiations?).

Mark
Mark, I agree completely. With the actions of the MEC of late, (we), have all of the characteristics of a circular firing squad.
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