Did UPS screw up?
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ASTAR sure showed everybody! If ASTAR is going down, they are taking the whole @%$& company down with them! Nice work guys!
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That would be the Astar pilot group. They seemed to have the biggest set of stones during all this can probably take the most credit for really stirring the pot when this bag of crap was thrown into their crew room.
So, to whoever is whinning about not getting their UPS upgrade... maybe you and the Astar guys can meet at the bar and discuss your situation. I would bet that they would even buy the first round.
So, to whoever is whinning about not getting their UPS upgrade... maybe you and the Astar guys can meet at the bar and discuss your situation. I would bet that they would even buy the first round.
I have a different opinion that yours. No offense to the ASTAR pilots, but in my opinion, they didn't have enough stones to toss, to stop this deal. Did they fight for their jobs, sure... I did the same thing when my former airline was acquired then gutted.
My point, when it comes to saying who is to blame for us not landing the $10 billion dollar whopper, I'd have to say from listening to the head honchos at the meeting that this deal was/is a moving target and ATL is going to be dang sure about "pulling the trigger" given the fact that we are in a very unstable economic arena.
This is a deal that has very pronounced ramifications if done correctly or screwed up. I don't know nor concern myself with what they do in ATL, but like was told to me by passengers when I used to fly them, "Don't screw up the landing".
Just another perspective to add to yours,
FF
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Yeah, you're right. Who cares about those people. They are not pilots like us. Who cares about their families and all their kids, just so long as the ASTAR pilots got to show everyone how big their 'stones' are. 
ASTAR sure showed everybody! If ASTAR is going down, they are taking the whole @%$& company down with them! Nice work guys!

ASTAR sure showed everybody! If ASTAR is going down, they are taking the whole @%$& company down with them! Nice work guys!

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Oh come on, you care about one thing, and that is yourself.
What happened to your insights about the agreement? Didn't you say it would be larger than expected? A done deal? Should I go on? Maybe you aren't quite as smart as you thought you were???
You are just ****ed that you didn't gain as much as you wanted while the guys at DHL lose their jobs. Karma is a *****....
What happened to your insights about the agreement? Didn't you say it would be larger than expected? A done deal? Should I go on? Maybe you aren't quite as smart as you thought you were???
You are just ****ed that you didn't gain as much as you wanted while the guys at DHL lose their jobs. Karma is a *****....
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Boy was I wrong.
Nice work!! So much for UPS needing 35 new airframes and hiring pilots and all that. As long as everyone is miserable though.

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Oh come on, you care about one thing, and that is yourself.
What happened to your insights about the agreement? Didn't you say it would be larger than expected? A done deal? Should I go on? Maybe you aren't quite as smart as you thought you were???
You are just ****ed that you didn't gain as much as you wanted while the guys at DHL lose their jobs. Karma is a *****....
What happened to your insights about the agreement? Didn't you say it would be larger than expected? A done deal? Should I go on? Maybe you aren't quite as smart as you thought you were???
You are just ****ed that you didn't gain as much as you wanted while the guys at DHL lose their jobs. Karma is a *****....
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jungle,
Not sure what fat lady you are talking about, but if you are insinuating that I work for DHL, you are wrong again...
Not sure what fat lady you are talking about, but if you are insinuating that I work for DHL, you are wrong again...
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From: Former DC8 73 Capt DHLAirways/Astar. Retired
While I appreciate your admiration, I think that what actually killed it is simple. It is too complicated a deal for either side to be comfortable with from a contractual perspective. Further, once DPWN came out with their statements at the May 28 conference call that they were doing a deal with UPS and "there is no other alternative", US companies as we all saw immediately began going to both UPS and FedEx in droves. No surprise there. Why go with DHL when UPS is really doing all the work? If I were a customer, I'd ditch them too. The market has spoken.
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