Any updates on current 727 pay?

 

Stay away from this place, the smartest thing you'll ever do in your career

 

It does sound pretty bad to be honest.

 

I hear they have a high 727 washout rate, close to 100%.

 

The 727 is an old reliable gal but like old birds it requires more learning to fly her. Imagine trying to learn an L188 Electra now. The props alone are like 10+ days ground school.

I think trying to get through a 727 course requires a lot of work. A pumps on B pumps off,clear to push. Window heat, pitot heat, what's to eat.

The problem with IFL is trying to commute to the 727. IFL has limited CASS and rather difficult bases. They changed the schedule but the only ones willing to do that work and/or commute maybe less than desirables. Home basing would attract more but not too many left that want, or can, fly a 727 anymore.

Funny, as there are still a number of 727s operators and I know all of them have difficulty attracting/keeping guys/gals. It's one thing to fly it but imagine having to load/unload it and in YIP or worse, Canada, in the middle of winter.

 

I'd rather load/unload it in Canada in the winter than Larado in the summer.

 

USA Jet now has a 1 hour callout.

 

True dat Hawkr. Ts&Cs will only improve when they get really desperate. The IFL owners will eventually have to budge or lose business. Everts has home basing but still has trouble getting crews as the work is tough and you're better off at a regional. I think even Kaliita part duex is trying to make things better.

I love old aircraft but it's the loading and unloading and sitting and long duty days and middle of the night and shiite hotels and quick callouts does nothing for me. Calling in unfit/tired does not work and you'll simply be fired. You are also expected to work your days off.

There are big reasons those aformentioned carriers are constantly looking for crews.

 

727 at Kalitta charters II :
2 hours callout.
Reserve is 24/6
727 pilots have company's cars and stay at company's condos or local hotels while at base.
Decent hotels ( Holiday inn express type)
"Loading" is up to the crew and consists of mostly strapping / the whole crew gets extra pay when you strap the freight
Pretty good medical , dental and company provided Short term disability.
No pilot was ever terminated for calling in fatigue .
pilots continuously leaving for the Spirit/frontier type of airlines , some are being recall back by former employers.
Room for improvement ? always !

 

Thanks Chyna. Call you tell me why the difference in schedules for each fleet?
How many hours roughly guys/gals are flying?
Looks like they need DC-9 crews. Is that the worst fleet to be on?
Can Connie with his big issues at big Kalitta simply use K2 to move the 747 operation.

I have heard K2/121 will fire people in a heart beat. You also spend a lot of time driving in vans to pick up flights. I am also assuming it's coach travel on other carriers? Is it also full CASS?