DiveAndDrive

Rye, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for bringing that up. I guess in that case, all of the above?

Braniff DC8

I just think those companies always need crews for a reason. I am not the only one that has expressed opposing views of my list. I was speaking to a guy that left one of those outfits recently because of the type of work. If IFL is so great why are they having so many issues on the 727 AND every Kalitta guy, Amerijet guy, interjet, USA jet and others would be lining up no? Yet, IFL advertise all the time for all fleets and DEC's. Something must be amiss.

I have the deal sent to me by IFL and it's not any good.

KSCessnaDriver

Because the entire 121 supplemental game in DTW is getting killed by hiring going on everywhere and by regionals raising their pay. Can't keep the guys with experience, can't get new guys to stick around with a crappy schedule and no future.

hockey1082

Convair and 727 are under the 121 certificate. So you need a restricted ATP. That's all we require. Although, we may have a guy in class who is going to be an FE while he finishes his flight training on his own time. Not a bad deal, in my opinion. He will make a solid paycheck, then go home and use it all for flight training.

Falcons are under the 135 certificate. So I believe you only need a commercial certificate.

hockey1082

This company is not the type of place that you spend your entire career working for. Everyone, including ownership, knows and understands this. They also understand that this company is a stepping stone in a pilot's career. Just like a regional airline.

Everyone will tell you not to come here. Hell, I'll tell you not to. It's a tough job and not every guy that walks through the door can hack it. But for some people, it makes sense. Maybe not to you, but to someone else. Going through my list of past guys, I see very few that left here with a bad taste in their mouth.

The "deal" that you say isn't any good, is your opinion. I thought my first year on Captain pay was pretty sweet! If you can get a better deal someplace else, then by all means. That's why the "bouncers" keep bouncing. We all strive for a better deal and we all take different paths to get it. My path is here. I've made great money (my opinion), while never having to worry about getting laid off. Now I'm just waiting for my name to be called.

Godaddy

I would guess, with such an astronomical rate of washouts, a new hire would be putting their career at risk.

Braniff DC8

All points taken. These companies have, and always will be, a stain on the industry. Since the end of WW2 the supplementals changed the industry but not for the better and most are gone now. We now call them "charter" carriers. The pay for 727 Capt AND to load/unload AND be on call 24/6 AND to jumpseat with VERY limited Cass, is not opinion, it's crap!

I'm not trying to pick a fight but if you think that is what you are worth then that's what the company thinks of you. The ads and turnover at these places speak volumes. Just go to the profiles section on this site and look at the profiles of USA jet and Kalitta. Go read the ad on 350 from Aliner and Skyway. It reaks of desperation plus it's mostly lies as the devil is in the details.

I do not agree these "outfits" are stable, safe or career promoting. If they were, the line would be out the door. Again, if you need DEC's, the operation must have some serious issues. And as someone pointed out, if the training failure rate is so high, 1)why? And 2)who would risk the pink slip?

All the companies I mentioned have bad raps and plenty are saying what I am saying. Believe or say what you want. There is a reason they cannot attract or keep people.

Chyna

The option to load or not is at K2 , don't know what is is at IFL

Chyna

1. No I can not.

2. anywhere from 15 to 45 most of the time somewhere in the middle

3. No , not at all , it all depends , if you are local to the DTW area the DC9 is just as good a fleet , if you are not than I guess the 727 is the better aircraft to be on as pilots get accommodations and cars while at base , 727 pilots get picked up and dropped off from DTW at the beginning and at the end of each rotation , so no crash pads or airport cars are needed which is money in the pocket.

DC 9 sched is 9 on 9 off , 727 is 16 on 12 off , I believe the 737 is 13 on -10 off . ( For now there is no flow through between fleets )

Also K2 and K4 are two different operations , while K4 is Connie's operation K2 is Doug's Kalitta operation with no flow through between the two .

Of course 727 , DC9 or 73-4 can not move the loads and do not have the range to fly 747 loads so personally I can't see Connie using K2 to fly K4 business or moving pilots between the two because of "problems " mind you , both K2 and K4 are represented by the Teamsters ...

Pilots getting fired in a heart beat ? Not really.

Driving the van ? yes between close bases of operations to re-position crews at the beginning and at the end of rotations or to bring your fellow pilots to or from the airport at the beginning or end of rotation.

Yes coach while being re-positioned on other carriers .

CASS ? yes , all except for Delta ( can still JS on the Delta's regionals)

Braniff DC8

Thanks again Chyna. Are you saying you never have to load/unload the aircraft? I ask as K2 would be the best job going with what you are writing.

I have from someone that it's not Doug but flight ops management that will fire you on the spot if you do not do what you are told or do not work extra days.

I've been called a few times but do not trust the "Kalitta"name.

Are they hiring for all fleets? More 737s coming?