UPS JS and the bottom 300
05-07-2009, 02:53 PM
#31
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69 from the bottom and I am going to reduce line for four months. That will deplete my savings. I will give all I can, and hope it will save my rear. Any senior people who can do even a little, will be appreciated.
By the way, it is hard to save money on first year pay. Yes, I did see this train coming and did not have the means to get off of the tracks.
By the way, it is hard to save money on first year pay. Yes, I did see this train coming and did not have the means to get off of the tracks.
05-07-2009, 08:59 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Finally a voice of reason--or at least a great point. If the only way to stave off furloughs is by working for half pay, this job is not worth having! At least in a furlough you can seek full time pay. Half pay is not a viable option as a primary means of cost reduction.
It isn't working for half pay... Its working HALF TIME for full insurance and benefits... there is a BIG difference.
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05-07-2009, 09:03 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by SLPII
Well....if one can not afford a 50 percent pay-cut indefinitely then they won't sign up.
If one is furloughed, there are other jobs (any profession). Why stay with a job that doesn't pay? (half)
If one is furloughed, there are other jobs (any profession). Why stay with a job that doesn't pay? (half)
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05-07-2009, 10:17 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by buggs
69 from the bottom and I am going to reduce line for four months. That will deplete my savings. I will give all I can, and hope it will save my rear. Any senior people who can do even a little, will be appreciated.
By the way, it is hard to save money on first year pay. Yes, I did see this train coming and did not have the means to get off of the tracks.
By the way, it is hard to save money on first year pay. Yes, I did see this train coming and did not have the means to get off of the tracks.
46, wife and 2 kids and 35ish from the bottom
05-08-2009, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by cessnapilot
It isn't working for half pay... Its working HALF TIME for full insurance and benefits... there is a BIG difference.
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05-08-2009, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Try sending your mortgage payment with an IOU from Aetna. This is the best job in 121 aviation and you guys feel obligated to work for half pay. Amazing!
05-08-2009, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MD11Pilot
According to the union's new FAQ...no DC8 FEs are allowed to bid RDG/JS until after they are consolidated as FOs in their new status. Now the only options we have are to take a short term or long term LOA. Nice.
Q: I'm on the DC-8, I'd like to sign up one of the voluntary programs but since I don't know when I'll be trained, I do not want to convert my current fully paid active (but non-working) status to a half pay or no pay "volunteer" for one of the MOU programs. How can I volunteer and not run this risk?
A: The parties have agreed that DC-8 crewmembers may request VLOAs, JS, or RDG and that those requests will be approved with the understanding and agreement that they will not (except at the crewmember's option) overlap the time that you are in a fully paid active (but not working) status. You may be awarded a VLOA, JS, or RDG (according to your preferences), but any award would become effective no earlier than your first scheduled day back to work."
Q: As a DC8 FE, I would like to TRY and volunteer for a RDG/JS after I'm on FO pay. I cannot afford it supporting a family of 4 on FE pay. How long will I be on FE pay? Am I safe trying to volunteer for RDG/JS in October or November?
A: The parties have agreed that F/Es on the DC8 are not eligible to participate in RDG or JS as long as they remain on that fleet and seat. However, you may volunteer for any bid period even though you may not have completed the consolidation flying as a F/O. In such case you will need to contact the Company after completing the consolidation as a F/O, to mutually agree upon substitute bid periods in which to complete the RDG/JS commitment.
Bid for any JS/RDG before May 26, enjoy time off - fully paid - before training, then make up that RDG/JS with a substitute period in the future.
05-08-2009, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by geeitup1
No offense, but I'd say 69 from the bottom better be signing up for JS/RDG through this year. I'm hoping the bottom 300 will, simply because I think it's prudent. Remember the MOU is all or nothing. Do you think the more senior crewmembers are going to pitch in when the obvious furlough bait (you and I) don't set an example of sacrifice? You're taking a huge gamble. Whatever your financial straits are, they will be infinitely worse while on umemployment benefits.
46, wife and 2 kids and 35ish from the bottom
46, wife and 2 kids and 35ish from the bottom
05-08-2009, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Try sending your mortgage payment with an IOU from Aetna. This is the best job in 121 aviation and you guys feel obligated to work for half pay. Amazing!
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