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Gunter 07-09-2009 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 641701)

On a different front, the company decided this month to chop up the reserve lines into small blocks. I guess they don't like to pay 1 in 7. This also makes if very difficult for commuters. They have had several longer trips come up into open time late at night that they have needed to split up to get a reserve to fly it. This adds deadheads to at least two pairings which cost money. Again, it seems like they are spending dollars to save nickels....

They are probably learning right now that military leave drops are foiling the small blocks of R days idea....I hope those guys keep up the good work.

We have a scheduling process defined in the CBA to enhance safety (DPs). It is administered by folks picked and supported by the MEC. This is the ONLY mechanism we (FedEx Corp) have to ensure fatigue doesn't impact the safety of our operation. To have it totally undermined by these one ways in a habitual fashion says only one thing to me. They aren't one of us, they are independent contractors working their own deals. They are ONLY interested in what works for them. It's easy to treat them like non-members, they act like it.

MaydayMark 07-09-2009 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 641701)

On a different front, the company decided this month to chop up the reserve lines into small blocks. I guess they don't like to pay 1 in 7. This also makes if very difficult for commuters. They have had several longer trips come up into open time late at night that they have needed to split up to get a reserve to fly it. This adds deadheads to at least two pairings which cost money. Again, it seems like they are spending dollars to save nickels....



I'm OK with the small blocks of R days (in fact, I sometimes bid them) but my reserve line is worse than that this month ...

- One block ended on July 3rd so I couldn't j/s home that evening (no flights 7/4)

- Next block ends on a Saturday night so I can't j/s home that evening (no Sunday am flight anymore).

I have put in dozens of R day drop/move requests this months trying to fix my commuting problem. ALL denied for insufficient reserves (so much for overmanning?).

So ... not only am I getting 4.a.2.b'd but I'm having to spend extra days in MEM because of commuting problems.

It must be part of the new management philosophy, "We're not happy until you're not happy." :eek:

BOYCAPTAIN 07-09-2009 08:27 AM

i will put in a call for extra flights as long as you bring cookies!

onetime 07-09-2009 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 641920)
They are probably learning right now that military leave drops are foiling the small blocks of R days idea....I hope those guys keep up the good work.

We have a scheduling process defined in the CBA to enhance safety (DPs). It is administered by folks picked and supported by the MEC. This is the ONLY mechanism we (FedEx Corp) have to ensure fatigue doesn't impact the safety of our operation. To have it totally undermined by these one ways in a habitual fashion says only one thing to me. They aren't one of us, they are independent contractors working their own deals. They are ONLY interested in what works for them. It's easy to treat them like non-members, they act like it.

All true G. Though if you read the SIG notes for July, there is no mention of safety like normal, only "rest on your time off" and "inability to turn into or out of." Which is again why I think we will lose this battle regardless on whether they are flown by the independent contractors or not.

FDXLAG 07-09-2009 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by onetime (Post 641945)
All true G. Though if you read the SIG notes for July, there is no mention of safety like normal, only "rest on your time off" and "inability to turn into or out of." Which is again why I think we will lose this battle regardless on whether they are flown by the independent contractors or not.

So your solution is to surrender?

There is a cost to the company. May not be big enough in our current climate to effect any change; but that is no reason to give up our only contractual method to improve pairings. Hard parameters are a great idea, we have hard parameters now and they aren't going to get better anytime soon. The more we allow the current pairings to degrade, the more it will cost us to improve the hard parameters in the next contract.

fedupbusdriver 07-09-2009 09:38 AM

I'm sure that if we ask really, really nicely, the company will change the hard parameters to a level that we can live without the SIG watching our backs....

onetime 07-09-2009 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 641955)
So your solution is to surrender?

There is a cost to the company. May not be big enough in our current climate to effect any change; but that is no reason to give up our only contractual method to improve pairings. Hard parameters are a great idea, we have hard parameters now and they aren't going to get better anytime soon. The more we allow the current pairings to degrade, the more it will cost us to improve the hard parameters in the next contract.

No retreat, no surrender! I say we get guys/gals to stop flying them. How do you propose we do that, because the things we've tried up to now have not worked or we would not be having this discussion. I'm just being a realist.

Our hard parameters will not get any better, at least until the next contract and it would appear that our soft parameters are'nt getting any better either. It might be a better idea to spend our time sending the NC our ideas of how to fix this system that obviously does not work in our independent contractor environment. And in July we can't even play the "safety" card, at least on the MD-11 DPs. Only that we can't turn with these trips and have to rest on our time off.

Gunter 07-09-2009 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 641937)
I have put in dozens of R day drop/move requests this months trying to fix my commuting problem. ALL denied for insufficient reserves (so much for overmanning?).

So ... not only am I getting 4.a.2.b'd but I'm having to spend extra days in MEM because of commuting problems.

It must be part of the new management philosophy, "We're not happy until you're not happy." :eek:

Can't be MayDay. "O" says folks are able to move and drop. And the Optimizer is a myth too. Those >8 hr pairings and shorter and shorter layovers are a figment of our imaginations.

BTW, the shorter blocks are to make up for the drop of the one R day per month. They also count a day dropped for some of our buffers as the drop too. You didn't actually think they were going to give us a free day, did you? At least the flexes got their 2 days off. Good for them.

We are being asked to ignore the man behind the Green curtain. "O" must be in on the misinformation campaign on some level.

He can't really believe it all, right?

kronan 07-09-2009 12:12 PM

Keep in mind that the SIG is locked out of the line construction phase of building the bid month, not the building the pairing phase.

SIG is still involved in trying to apply some common sense to the pairings constructed by the company. They just don't win as much as they should.

meatloaf 07-09-2009 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by onetime (Post 641945)
All true G. Though if you read the SIG notes for July, there is no mention of safety like normal, only "rest on your time off" and "inability to turn into or out of." Which is again why I think we will lose this battle regardless on whether they are flown by the independent contractors or not.

The company now writes the SIG notes too.

Notice how they all sound very similar now, regardless of equipment or base?

The SIG/PSIT members might be writing like mad, but the end result sure looks like whitewash if you look real close. :rolleyes:


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