Pay for recurrent CBT
07-13-2009, 03:10 PM
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Pay for recurrent CBT
Its that time again and in the 13 yrs I've been on the Maddog, Ive seen the required CBT grow from 8-9 modules to 26 modules for this year. I know that I and most of us usually just click on the quizzes and rip thru the lessons in a few hours but if you do what was intended and actually review each module entirely, there is NO WAY that you can do all the CBT in the 8 hours we get paid automatically for. Most if not all the modules take between 45 min to an hour to actually do as intended resulting in 20+ hours of time at least for the MD-11.
The contract says specifically:
The contract says specifically:
c. A pilot who completes CBT training shall earn 3 CH for each 8 scheduled hours of that training, or portion thereof. That compensation shall be in addition to BLG/RLG.
It looks pretty black and white to me, HAS ANYONE KEPT TRACK OF THEIR ACTUAL TIME TO DO THE CBT AND TURNED IN A PAY LOG FOR THE EXTRA 3 TO 6 HOURS OF PAY THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING???? HAS ANYONE GOTTEN MORE THAN 3 HOURS OF PAY FOR CBT???
It looks pretty black and white to me, HAS ANYONE KEPT TRACK OF THEIR ACTUAL TIME TO DO THE CBT AND TURNED IN A PAY LOG FOR THE EXTRA 3 TO 6 HOURS OF PAY THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING???? HAS ANYONE GOTTEN MORE THAN 3 HOURS OF PAY FOR CBT???
07-13-2009, 03:37 PM
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I started keeping a log last year. After about 16+ hours, I got tired of trying to keep track. It was my intent to turn those times into the union. Getting paid 3 hours is hogwash!! Pay should be at least double that!! I actually try to read the material, as it is a great review. The Negotiating Committee definitely needs to address this issue.
07-13-2009, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fdxmd11capt
The contract says specifically:
c. A pilot who completes CBT training shall earn 3 CH for each 8 scheduled hours of that training, or portion thereof. That compensation shall be in addition to BLG/RLG.
I've been told it's unreasonable to expect more than what can obtained contractually. I think I read it in an FCIF.
07-13-2009, 04:45 PM
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pay for recurrent cbt
Thanks for the info guys, I thought maybe I'd been brain dead the last couple years but I am going to pursue this. It looks black and white in the contract to me. The way the company is steal money from us, I can't see letting them slide on this one!!
07-13-2009, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fdxmd11capt
Its that time again and in the 13 yrs I've been on the Maddog, Ive seen the required CBT grow from 8-9 modules to 26 modules for this year. I know that I and most of us usually just click on the quizzes and rip thru the lessons in a few hours but if you do what was intended and actually review each module entirely, there is NO WAY that you can do all the CBT in the 8 hours we get paid automatically for. Most if not all the modules take between 45 min to an hour to actually do as intended resulting in 20+ hours of time at least for the MD-11.
The contract says specifically:
The contract says specifically:
c. A pilot who completes CBT training shall earn 3 CH for each 8 scheduled hours of that training, or portion thereof. That compensation shall be in addition to BLG/RLG.
It looks pretty black and white to me, HAS ANYONE KEPT TRACK OF THEIR ACTUAL TIME TO DO THE CBT AND TURNED IN A PAY LOG FOR THE EXTRA 3 TO 6 HOURS OF PAY THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING???? HAS ANYONE GOTTEN MORE THAN 3 HOURS OF PAY FOR CBT???
It looks pretty black and white to me, HAS ANYONE KEPT TRACK OF THEIR ACTUAL TIME TO DO THE CBT AND TURNED IN A PAY LOG FOR THE EXTRA 3 TO 6 HOURS OF PAY THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING???? HAS ANYONE GOTTEN MORE THAN 3 HOURS OF PAY FOR CBT???
In addition, in a previous life, when we were required to do drug screening, we were paid 30 min extra for the time it takes to do the "random" screening because this was in addition to the 30 min debrief. I say "random". just come off of extended sick leave or vacation and see how random it is.
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07-14-2009, 06:51 AM
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"In addition, in a previous life, when we were required to do drug screening, we were paid 30 min extra for the time it takes to do the "random" screening because this was in addition to the 30 min debrief. I say "random". just come off of extended sick leave or vacation and see how random it is.[/quote]- majorKong
How about the new harassement program for clearing Customs in EWR? Looks to me that will take much longer than the scheduled 30 minutes (FDX) of post flight duty. I see a few MEM MD11 pairings with only 15 hours in the hotel at EWR between Atlantic crossings.
How about the new harassement program for clearing Customs in EWR? Looks to me that will take much longer than the scheduled 30 minutes (FDX) of post flight duty. I see a few MEM MD11 pairings with only 15 hours in the hotel at EWR between Atlantic crossings.
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07-14-2009, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by FedupFlex
How about the new harassement program for clearing Customs in EWR? Looks to me that will take much longer than the scheduled 30 minutes (FDX) of post flight duty. I see a few MEM MD11 pairings with only 15 hours in the hotel at EWR between Atlantic crossings.
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07-14-2009, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FedupFlex
How about the new harassement program for clearing Customs in EWR? Looks to me that will take much longer than the scheduled 30 minutes (FDX) of post flight duty. I see a few MEM MD11 pairings with only 15 hours in the hotel at EWR between Atlantic crossings.
07-14-2009, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
They must want you to just click thru and obtain only a partial knowledge of the lessons. A demand for knowledge that can only be gained by 20+ hours of review would be outside the contract.
I've been told it's unreasonable to expect more than what can obtained contractually. I think I read it in an FCIF.
I've been told it's unreasonable to expect more than what can obtained contractually. I think I read it in an FCIF.
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