2cylinderdriver

In light of the continued requests by FDX management for our us to sell back vacation I think the crew force as a whole would benefit from reviewing the CBA section 7. If the company needs to cover flights they have the ability to involuntarily cancel vacations. I think that would be just FINE by me. Get 24 hours put in my bank and reschedule (NOT take the pay out option !) to any week held by a junior pilot. Think of the of the downline problems if they got into this situation.

I will enjoy my summer vacation periods to the MAX !

Fly Safe

TonyC

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Nightflyer

I have talked about this with other crew members for years....

IF no one voluntarily gave up their vacations, the company would have to do involuntary cancellations. Now, let's say that everyone who has been involuntarily cancelled were to bid a new week of vacation in the VERY NEXT slot held by a junior pilot. Not everyone would be able to hold the next month, of course, but enough would to be able to make a difference, and the rest might be in the month after. So, you get your vacation cancelled, collect 24 hours of pay, reschedule for the next month, get it cancelled again, collect another 24 hours, reschedule again....ad infinitem.

Pretty soon, every member of the crew force is having their vacation involuntarily cancelled for months in a row, and EVERYONE would collect 24 hours of extra pay, EACH MONTH, for merely POSTPONING (because I would take it, eventually, when they let me) their vacation.

Now, I know this would take a little cooperation from the wh@res, but perhaps even they could see the logic in getting paid an extra 24 hours per month for doing nothing.

FoxHunter

Great plan!! Except when this no draft/vlt/vacation sell back becomes effective you can expect FDX ALPA standing before a judge just like the DAL pilots. The American pilots also had a very effective job action, only cost them a fine of $45,000,000.

2cylinderdriver

While I will not disagree with you of the effort that the FedEx Legal Department would go to to fight the Union, talking about this particular issue can you explain how FedEx using it's contractual right to involuntarily cancel vacations makes it a job action on our part ?

I know what you will say: "History of the last 5 years of constant selling back, right ?" This applies not as a group in my opinion but individually, and if the guys that have been consistent participants suddenly stop it may just mean they need to take SOME FREAKIN TIME OFF ! As for the guys like me who will not and have not sold vacation to this point it would be pretty hard to prove an illegal "job action" is taking place. This same logic applies for VOL/DRF. If they want to bring us to court they will, Oh well.

Wasn't American's problem sick use anyway ? Might have been a bit easier for a judge to see a problem with that versus taking your vacation or not flying an extra trip unless he blindly looks a statistics.

Fly Safe, and take a vacation !

R1200RT

That was sick leave abuse wasn't it George and the amount was $15,000,000 which was all they had. Bad move, but it wasn't for not working extra. AAs problem was that when the federal judge told them to knock it off they didn't and he made them pay. If after his warning they had stopped calling in sick it would have been fine but they pushed it. We would need to comply with any judges orders and avoid the fine.
Delta got in trouble for the reduction in extra flying after the AA guys if memory serves. I'd still like to see us reduce the amount of extra flying done at FedEx. I'm sure you don't do any extra(being a well informed union member,better than most), Do you?

tomgoodman

At Delta, it was neither vacations nor sick leave that were at issue. Rather, it was a noticeable drop-off in the number of overtime volunteer bids ("greenslips"). As I recall, over 40 subpoenas were issued, not for failing to volunteer, but for urging others not to volunteer and (allegedly) harassing those who did volunteer. The matter was finally dropped, but only after DALPA virtually pleaded with members to cease all "no overtime" campaigns.

I'm not qualified to give advice, but your union should have a legal department which can answer questions about this.

FX Bone Guy

It's not a Union thing. ALPA staff has specifically said they CAN NOT and WILL NOT suggest any course of action for us to take. Any choice to spend more time with your family, and how to do that, must simply be a personal choice to do what you want to do. It's an individual choice for you to either support your negotiators or not. Do you want a barely bearable contract, or some meaningful improvements?

Even with ALPA DOES ask us to do something - NOT FLY DISPUTED PAIRINGS - we still do it anyway.... what's up with that?

2cylinderdriver

This has been a concern of mine for a long time. We have all the guys that claim ALPA has not told me point blank to do or not do ....., yet in the case of Disputed Pairings we have CLEAR and DIRECT instructions on who is to fly these pairings and we still have these pairings being flown by non reserve pay codes ? We have seen improvement but less than 100% compliance by the membership on an issue with guidance shows WEAKNESS in Unity.

Bottom line, the need to fix your schedule or make extra money are NOT valid reasons to fly disputes. If you get assigned one please follow the PSIT's guidlines and file all requested reports.

Thanks ! Pay for the Delay.