RDG regret?
09-10-2009, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
I don't think RDG participants are allowed to bid for open time... or did I get that wrong too? 
That would be a great solution indeed. I'll look into it... Thanks
That would be a great solution indeed. I'll look into it... ThanksQ: The MOU states "JS and RDG crewmembers shall not have the right to be awarded open time pickup, but have the right to trip trade and utilize the line improvement trip trade provisions of the contract." Why can't JS and RDG crewmembers pick up open time?
A: The purpose of the program was to identify volunteers who intended to work less than a normal schedule. The Company was willing to agree to institute the program and potentially not furlough because UPS wants these volunteers to work reduced schedules. The MOU does, however, allow JS/RDG crewmembers to trip trade and utilize the line improvement trip trade provisions of the contract to increase their original line credit by up to 5:00 domestic and 7:00 international.
09-10-2009, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
I agree with you however the way it was explained to me even IF the company furloughs in 2010 - those who volunteered for J/S and RDG for the next 3 years are out of luck. There is no way to "change their 2010 and 2011 volunteer amounts"... I guess we could always sign up for more but we can't take back what we already agreed to... 
09-10-2009, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by UPSAv8tr
I just got of the phone with S.F. The way you understand it is incorrect. Just to clear it up for everybody, if the next round of volunteering fails and the company furloughs, the MOU is null and void and all of us with RDG's/VLO/Mil Leaves/etc in 2010 an 2011 revert back to regular line values/bidding.
09-10-2009, 02:02 PM
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That makes no sense at all. You have no agreement to make line values approximately the same as the RDG line being bid on (55/65). So a junior guy gets the 36 hr line and then has to pay it back up to 65 hours, while a more senior guy ends up with something closer to 65? Then to add insult, you can't bid ANY open time to close the gap? I TOTALLY get what you are talking about. How did you know the line would be built this way, with such small credit hours. Your company couldn't care less they're getting their money back from you anyway! That doesn't seem right at all. Who came up with this thing anyway? You guys have an election coming up don't you? Remember these people...
09-10-2009, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 320Driver
That makes no sense at all. You have no agreement to make line values approximately the same as the RDG line being bid on (55/65). So a junior guy gets the 36 hr line and then has to pay it back up to 65 hours, while a more senior guy ends up with something closer to 65? Then to add insult, you can't bid ANY open time to close the gap? I TOTALLY get what you are talking about. How did you know the line would be built this way, with such small credit hours. Your company couldn't care less they're getting their money back from you anyway! That doesn't seem right at all. Who came up with this thing anyway? You guys have an election coming up don't you? Remember these people...
)Again, I'm only blaming myself but it is what it is...
09-10-2009, 02:24 PM
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That's very understanding. You certainly assumed the IPA had line values nailed down so a shaft job doesn't happen. If they don't, let everyone know they don't so they don't bid SEVEN of these pieces of mess. Incompetence. The IPA cost you TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars according to my calculations, if it went down the way you said it. I'd be chatting with my legal advisor if I were you...
09-10-2009, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
It made it clear and it explains the line quality in the bid packages. The seniority was totally trashed and the concept of "volunteer" is bull. Those of us who contributed in other ways where also "volunteered" for something we didn't want.
09-10-2009, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
The Company was willing to agree to institute the program and potentially not furlough because UPS wants these volunteers to work reduced schedules.
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09-10-2009, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
Does that answer make sense to anybody? The real answer is that they wanted to inflict additional pain on our group.
That was a direct quote from the MOU slide presentation.
If they really want people to work reduced schedules, why can't you drop more than one days worth of time contractually ... realistically they seem to limit to ANY trade of more than one minute.
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09-10-2009, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 320Driver
That's very understanding. You certainly assumed the IPA had line values nailed down so a shaft job doesn't happen. If they don't, let everyone know they don't so they don't bid SEVEN of these pieces of mess. Incompetence. The IPA cost you TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars according to my calculations, if it went down the way you said it. I'd be chatting with my legal advisor if I were you...
However, no legal advisor will be nessessary or I'd have to sue myself for not being bright enough here... The idea was great and I'm still very proud of IPAers for doing whatever took to save the junior folks. I and some others simply misunderstood the purpose of having the RDGA and B options. I wanted to clarify a few things on why I am disappointed and I did.
Let's not turn this thread into something really negative because again, I'm the one who screwed up here, not IPA.
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