RDG regret?
09-09-2009, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
I agree with you however the way it was explained to me even IF the company furloughs in 2010 - those who volunteered for J/S and RDG for the next 3 years are out of luck. There is no way to "change their 2010 and 2011 volunteer amounts"... I guess we could always sign up for more but we can't take back what we already agreed to... 
09-10-2009, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
FWIW, I signed up for the regular RDG so I don't have to think about it. Now if I can just be home for Christmas and New Years instead of a 2 week RDG trip...
)I'm just glad that I signed up for regular RDG so I don't have to worry about it. When I read the RDG A and B options, it seemed too confusing for me (ie. keeping track of hours over a few months, etc.) so I just did every 2 pay periods of RDG. Good luck AV8OR.
09-10-2009, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
I don't understand how it violates seniority if VTOs don't? Can you explain? Don't they build the RDG lines with trips dropped for vacation?
Let's say that there is a desirable pairing. I dunno, let's call it RFD HOT. As we have it now, the company can put it in a bid line, where everyone can bid on it or not depending on their seniority, or they can designate it for an RDG line where not everyone can bid on it. Someone living in the area, say with a small child that they like to spend time with <G>, would not be able to bid on it as a line holder no matter what their seniority. The difference between that and having it drop out through the VTO process, is that it would have first been available for bid by everybody. Someone would have been awarded it by seniority and then dropped it for vacation or training.
Hope that I made it clearer
09-10-2009, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
Yeah, that's what I did. I can see AV8OR's frustration if he misunderstood or was misinformed. I kind of get what he is saying but it's early in the morning (still have a 1/2 cup of coffee left. )
I'm just glad that I signed up for regular RDG so I don't have to worry about it. When I read the RDG A and B options, it seemed too confusing for me (ie. keeping track of hours over a few months, etc.) so I just did every 2 pay periods of RDG. Good luck AV8OR.
)I'm just glad that I signed up for regular RDG so I don't have to worry about it. When I read the RDG A and B options, it seemed too confusing for me (ie. keeping track of hours over a few months, etc.) so I just did every 2 pay periods of RDG. Good luck AV8OR.
By the way, no I wasn't misinformed, I simply wasn't smart enough to realize the difference (or lack of) between RDG, RDGA and RDGB... Expensive lesson to be learned...
09-10-2009, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 767pilot
No, they don't have to build RDG lines with trips dropped for vacation and that is a beef with the system.
Let's say that there is a desirable pairing. I dunno, let's call it RFD HOT. As we have it now, the company can put it in a bid line, where everyone can bid on it or not depending on their seniority, or they can designate it for an RDG line where not everyone can bid on it. Someone living in the area, say with a small child that they like to spend time with <G>, would not be able to bid on it as a line holder no matter what their seniority. The difference between that and having it drop out through the VTO process, is that it would have first been available for bid by everybody. Someone would have been awarded it by seniority and then dropped it for vacation or training.
Hope that I made it clearer
Let's say that there is a desirable pairing. I dunno, let's call it RFD HOT. As we have it now, the company can put it in a bid line, where everyone can bid on it or not depending on their seniority, or they can designate it for an RDG line where not everyone can bid on it. Someone living in the area, say with a small child that they like to spend time with <G>, would not be able to bid on it as a line holder no matter what their seniority. The difference between that and having it drop out through the VTO process, is that it would have first been available for bid by everybody. Someone would have been awarded it by seniority and then dropped it for vacation or training.
Hope that I made it clearer
It made it clear and it explains the line quality in the bid packages. The seniority was totally trashed and the concept of "volunteer" is bull. Those of us who contributed in other ways where also "volunteered" for something we didn't want.
Last edited by 757upspilot; 09-10-2009 at 08:26 AM. Reason: so ****ed spelling went out the window
09-10-2009, 11:17 AM
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Why don't you pick up additional time to get to your 55 or 65 hour RDG. That way, the hit on the next few months pay will not be nearly as bad. If they don't allow you to add time to get to 55 or 65, that's pretty crappy negotiating on the IPA's part. I get why you can't go above 55 or 65, but you should be able to come close...
09-10-2009, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 320Driver
Why don't you pick up additional time to get to your 55 or 65 hour RDG. That way, the hit on the next few months pay will not be nearly as bad. If they don't allow you to add time to get to 55 or 65, that's pretty crappy negotiating on the IPA's part. I get why you can't go above 55 or 65, but you should be able to come close...
That would be a great solution indeed. I'll look into it... Thanks
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