If Jim M is endorsing Farley, I'm changing my Vote! I think Jim just ended Scott's chances.

Also, I just laugh at all the endorsements on the B&G. some must have huge egos like Jeff Martin's. Because 99% don't give a hoot who someone likes. I guess they like to hear themselves talk.

And Steve lost my vote a long time ago. U dont quit your brothers like he did. With some lame excuse. Kalf is head and shoulders over the other two by far.

 

Nash;

Your post is riddled with contradictions. You criticize Magner for voicing his opinion but do the same yourself. I think the pot just called the kettle black.

 

I wasn't a huge Jim M. fan during negotiations. I felt at the time he was a 1 issue guy. I've learned since then that, although I don't always agree with him, he is actually a very well thought out guy and now I respect him. On this particular post, I agree with him 100% on Scott Farley. Thats who I am supporting.

 

If you think I am that John it explains your love for Nicholson.

 

In the candidate's video Farley seamed, to me, to be uncomfortable and awkward whenever he spoke. Don't you worry that UPS will chew him up?

N_H

 

Farley has already given the company the method of attack that he will respond to in a way that they want. He has repeatedly referred to the bottom 300 as hostages and if they are on the street when we go into contract negotiations we will have to deal with it. Either way on the property or off he has signaled the company on how to get him to concede to what they want. The company will simply threaten to layoff over and over again hitting his soft spot to wring savings from our pilot group, labor has to be rubbing there hands together over the prospect of him sitting in the Presidents seat. Do we continue with the MOU, absolutely. Do we call any pilot put on the street if the MOU doesn't satisfy the company a hostage, no. We proceed with our ability to not fly open time or accept JA and negotiate a contract from a position of strength.

 

Could he of been more smooth? Sure. Does being smooth equate to being a good leader? Not always. Nicholson was a smooth talker. That was 1 of the 2 reasons he got elected (the other being the a.b.b.m. mentality). He didn't turn out to be all roses. Just because Farley isn't a great public speaker doesn't mean he can't make good decsions leading the Union. Before everyone starts throwing the "what about the survey results" thing out there, everyone should re-read Magners post about the behind the scenes accomplishments Scott has made. That to me means a heck of alot more than perhaps a mistep with an email.

 

Not sure I see it that way. At the moment the company has the numbers to back their threats. Confirmed by Andy M. and the Union. If, down the line, they try it again with no such numbers, the Union and the EB will have the fortitude to throw it back in their face.

Additionally, this argument that "we have given the company ammunition" to hurt us later down the line is hog-wash in my opinion. It always makes me laugh when people say "we have set precedence for them to lower our guarantee, get Preferential Bidding, and erase conflict bidding in later negotiations". Well if thats true, then we've also set precedence for a no-furlough clause and the ability to drop trips down to 35 hours guarantee. Do you really see UPS signing off on that? Never happen.

 

My concern is greater with our EB going into contract negotiations with the thought that the company has hostages and that they must do something to get them back. I don't see anything we have done as ammunition for the company to use, I do see a concessionary tone coming from a canidate for the Presidents position. He has identified a weapon the company can use against us if he is sitting in the Presidents chair. I guess you could say I see him as stupid/ weak as opposed to smart/tough or dumb/tough.

 

I think I summed it up in my first paragraph. To reiterate: right now the company has the numbers on their side. If that weren't the case any/all of the candidates would have told the company to stick it. Again, not to continually use the cliche but, there's smart tough and dumb tough. I see no weakness here whatsoever regarding this MOU. YMMV.