FR8Hauler

Jeff is a huge step up from LK. The progression from ALPA union official to management continues though.

FLMD11CAPT

THATS WHAT WE WANT FELLA'S!!!!!! Good Union Guys in Mgmt......Comprende?????

v1 uh-oh

Wasn't LK a good union guy?

FR8Hauler

No, no yo comprendo....Are you out of your mind?

diesel 8

Unfortunately, LK is a good example of "good union guys" going to the dark side. At least that has been my experience at previous companies.

Busboy

So, if you don't want former "union" guys in management positions....What do you want in management? Non-Members? Scabs? Anti-union guys?

I prefer to take my chances with a "union" guy.

FDXLAG

Maybe we should try former management guys in union positions. Can't hurt.

AFW_MD11

In my opinion....I don't really think it matters where a guy came FROM.

Once they get into a management job, they are obligated to do what the company asks of them in order to keep that job - regardless of their past support of the union's agenda and/or "good dude"-ness.

By definition, the two agendas are in direct opposition to each other - union (pilots) vs. management.

The union attempts to gain more $$$ and better work rules for the pilots - management tries to spend as little $$$ as possible on the pilot group while attempting to maximize pilot workload/productivity.

Management is tasked to punish/discipline/terminate - the union attempts to mitigate those actions.

Management seeks to maximize the parameters in the contract to the benefit of the company - the union seeks to maximize the benefit to the pilots.

In order to keep the management job - the managers can't work outside the contractual parameters and FOR the union (pilots) or they will be asked to leave (return to the line)

So....once they cross the line over to the management position - where they came FROM doesn't factor in any more

until/unless one of two things happens - 1) their morals/ethics become so at odds with what the company is asking them to do that they volunteer to "return to the line", or 2) they attempt to be a manager that favors the union's agenda over the company's, work outside the contractual obligations, and be an advocate of the pilots - so much so that they are asked to "return to the line" (fired)

"good union dudes" that accept a management position are no different than "other than good union dudes" (non-members, scabs, etc.) - if they are different & they don't do what the company wants them/asks them/directs them to do, they won't be in the job much longer.

tomgoodman

Both labor and management are wise if they recruit honest people who formerly worked hard for the "other side". Anyone who feathered his nest by disloyal conduct in the past will probably betray his new boss as well.

FlyByNite

As a person who was in Jeff K's block when he was block rep under the old FPA, all I can say is I'm not surprised he ended up in management. I believe PC was the Sec Tres then as well. How has that worked out for us so far?