Heard that Deputy Dawg a.k.a. LK is out
01-04-2010, 09:57 AM
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Anyone that thinks PC was a "union guy" needs to report to screening immediately.
No one has answered the question...If you don't want a "good union dude" accepting a management job...Then who, or what, exactly do you want?
I have worked for some former union guys that took management positions, that were at the opposite end of the spectrum of some of the barracudas that FDX management has hired. AFW is right...They cannot work outside of the contract in order to help pilots. But, they can work within the CBA to help pilots.
No one has answered the question...If you don't want a "good union dude" accepting a management job...Then who, or what, exactly do you want?
I have worked for some former union guys that took management positions, that were at the opposite end of the spectrum of some of the barracudas that FDX management has hired. AFW is right...They cannot work outside of the contract in order to help pilots. But, they can work within the CBA to help pilots.
01-04-2010, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
By definition, the two agendas are in direct opposition to each other - union (pilots) vs. management.
01-04-2010, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyByNite
I believe PC was the Sec Tres then as well.
2 thoughts ...
- PC was the negotiating committee chairman (IIRC, PC was part of the clan that put 4a2b in the FPA TA; so he knew it was in there!)
- Wasn't it JK that ran for election as FPA block rep and then, just a few weeks later, resigned (something about spending more time with family, or maybe a flex job). So ... it was like, please, please vote for me ... I'll do my best to represent your interests ... followed by NEVER MIND? He should be a terrific manager!*?
Mark
01-04-2010, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. I once worked for a major airline where your ACP was your friend. It was his job to get you OUT of trouble if he could! I wish it could be that way here ...
01-04-2010, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I'm not sure I agree with this statement. I once worked for a major airline where your ACP was your friend. It was his job to get you OUT of trouble if he could! I wish it could be that way here ...
Originally Posted by Gunter
What airline is that? You'll have to forgive me if I tell you it sounds like a fairy tale.
the only time a pilot should be "in trouble" is when they've broken some rule either in the employee manual or the contract.
so....how could an ACP, who's job it is to enforce the contract (or employee manual) help get you out of "trouble"?
I agree - doesn't sound like any major airline I've ever heard of - how did you end up leaving them and coming to work at FedEx then? why would anyone?
01-04-2010, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
haven't you heard OR (& LK, etc.) say over and over again that it is their job to enforce the contract?
the only time a pilot should be "in trouble" is when they've broken some rule either in the employee manual or the contract.
the only time a pilot should be "in trouble" is when they've broken some rule either in the employee manual or the contract.
Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
so....how could an ACP, who's job it is to enforce the contract (or employee manual) help get you out of "trouble"?...
01-04-2010, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Maybe, by not accusing you in the first place?
I was attempting to address that "other major airline"
I attempted to answer your question earlier as well.....as to who would I prefer they hire into management.......it doesn't matter.
Because if whomever they hire does the job they are hired to do....and well enough to stay hired.....their actions/activities are not going to be pro-pilot (no matter what they were before hired into management)
if they are pro-pilot, the company will show them the door back to the line (here at FedEx - not at Mayday's other "major airline" of course.)
01-04-2010, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
that is their job - to accuse you in the first place & then try to convict you - not help you get out of the trouble they (or you) got you into (as in Mayday's utopian "major airline" he worked for scenario)
I was attempting to address that "other major airline"
I attempted to answer your question earlier as well.....as to who would I prefer they hire into management.......it doesn't matter.
Because if whomever they hire does the job they are hired to do....and well enough to stay hired.....their actions/activities are not going to be pro-pilot (no matter what they were before hired into management)
if they are pro-pilot, the company will show them the door back to the line (here at FedEx - not at Mayday's other "major airline" of course.)
I was attempting to address that "other major airline"
I attempted to answer your question earlier as well.....as to who would I prefer they hire into management.......it doesn't matter.
Because if whomever they hire does the job they are hired to do....and well enough to stay hired.....their actions/activities are not going to be pro-pilot (no matter what they were before hired into management)
if they are pro-pilot, the company will show them the door back to the line (here at FedEx - not at Mayday's other "major airline" of course.)
I don't believe harrassment is their job.
I don't believe that being "pro-pilot" within the CBA, is anti-company.
I think who they hire, makes all the difference.
We have had numerous management guys that were very "pro-pilot" and were not shown the back door. We just lost one to brain cancer.
What you are describing is your perception of the current FDX management. And, I think it is accurate to a certain degree. But I would argue that, that culture has absolutely zero chance of changing, until they hire guys with a different philosophy...Which most union leaders have.
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