FDX Inevitable Sub Question
01-31-2010, 07:22 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by hyperone
I think this is the relevant section of the contract for your situation:
25.H.10b. Acceptance or Rejection of Reassignment Trip Offer
i. If a pilot accepts a reassignment trip he shall earn the higher of trip guarantee for the original trip(s) or trip guarantee for the reassignment trip, calculated as described in Section 4.M.1. (Reassignment Trip Pay). That pilot shall be released from all substitution obligations relating to his original trip.
So, it would seem to me, that once you accept a Sub trip, you become responsible for the new trip only. So, if that trip is then cancelled, your new sub window would only be for the new trip's footprint. My best wag.
25.H.10b. Acceptance or Rejection of Reassignment Trip Offer
i. If a pilot accepts a reassignment trip he shall earn the higher of trip guarantee for the original trip(s) or trip guarantee for the reassignment trip, calculated as described in Section 4.M.1. (Reassignment Trip Pay). That pilot shall be released from all substitution obligations relating to his original trip.
So, it would seem to me, that once you accept a Sub trip, you become responsible for the new trip only. So, if that trip is then cancelled, your new sub window would only be for the new trip's footprint. My best wag.
this section you quote is talking about a REASSIGNMENT trip (not a SUB assignment)
or are they the same thing? 'cause I'm thinkin' they're not.
01-31-2010, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
Best place to start is open you 2010 ALPA Calendar to the contract pages and go through the sub wiring diagram. It matters how long your window is (>72 TAFB etc) among many other items. If that fails to help you, post details here and call the Union for more help is my suggestion.
Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
Isn't there a difference between a regular ol' SUBSTITUTION assignment and a REASSIGNMENT trip?
this section you quote is talking about a REASSIGNMENT trip (not a SUB assignment)
or are they the same thing? 'cause I'm thinkin' they're not.
this section you quote is talking about a REASSIGNMENT trip (not a SUB assignment)
or are they the same thing? 'cause I'm thinkin' they're not.
Originally Posted by MX727
Not the same thing. If you take the RAT, that becomes your new trip and if it changes or goes away, your sub eligibility is figured from the RAT.
The ALPA calendar flow chart is a little misleading as the first block question is "was a RAT offered in the initial assignment period?"
leads one to believe it's the same question as "was a SUB trip assigned in the initial assignment period?" - that question doesn't come til a little further down the decision tree (in the ALPA calendar)
just sayin'....don't confuse RAT with SUB - not the same!
01-31-2010, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
That's what I thought - RAT not the same as SUB trip assignment.
The ALPA calendar flow chart is a little misleading as the first block question is "was a RAT offered in the initial assignment period?"
leads one to believe it's the same question as "was a SUB trip assigned in the initial assignment period?" - that question doesn't come til a little further down the decision tree (in the ALPA calendar)
just sayin'....don't confuse RAT with SUB - not the same!
The ALPA calendar flow chart is a little misleading as the first block question is "was a RAT offered in the initial assignment period?"
leads one to believe it's the same question as "was a SUB trip assigned in the initial assignment period?" - that question doesn't come til a little further down the decision tree (in the ALPA calendar)
just sayin'....don't confuse RAT with SUB - not the same!
01-31-2010, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
That's what I thought - RAT not the same as SUB trip assignment.
The ALPA calendar flow chart is a little misleading as the first block question is "was a RAT offered in the initial assignment period?"
leads one to believe it's the same question as "was a SUB trip assigned in the initial assignment period?" - that question doesn't come til a little further down the decision tree (in the ALPA calendar)
just sayin'....don't confuse RAT with SUB - not the same!
The ALPA calendar flow chart is a little misleading as the first block question is "was a RAT offered in the initial assignment period?"
leads one to believe it's the same question as "was a SUB trip assigned in the initial assignment period?" - that question doesn't come til a little further down the decision tree (in the ALPA calendar)
just sayin'....don't confuse RAT with SUB - not the same!
01-31-2010, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by kronan
And don't forget that a RAT trips pays 125% (assuming the RAT trip is same base pay as the trip that went away)
vs. SUB assignment at straight time (100%)
02-02-2010, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifizgud
Did you start off the trip off of reserve? That changes a lot!
He is asking about SUB - you don't get SUB or RAT while on RES. If the trip is canceled you just go back into RES
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