UPS Furlough
02-10-2010, 07:25 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
With the RIF languague UPS is about to send some relatively senior DC-8 folks to ANC, unless I misunderstand it completely. The suck factor will be spread all across our seniority list (although it's worst for the ones furloughed.)
02-10-2010, 07:40 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by Naven
The way I read the reduction in force language the DC8 guys will get to stay in domicile (SDF) and bump the junior captains in SDF to ANC if they want.
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02-10-2010, 07:44 AM
#103
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,144
No matter what, there are going to be lots and lots of unhappy people here for a while. There will be those who thought they were safe from ANC that end up in ANC. More than the bottom 600(those not furloughed) will have very negative QOL issues to contend with. You are also going to be puting people in ANC, including myself, that were hired here before ANC was a base. Morale is not only going to be low, it's going to be off the chart low. Any goodwill I ever had for UPS is now gone. Let's not forget the top 10%, we have something for you too. Can you say stuffing the lines with trips that would be in opentime otherwise? They are gonna try to get every minute, hour, and second out of everyone!
On a side note, it appears we already have opentime *****s out there. Looks like a senior Captain picked up a trip last night for March. Makes you feel great doesn't it!
On a side note, it appears we already have opentime *****s out there. Looks like a senior Captain picked up a trip last night for March. Makes you feel great doesn't it!
Last edited by UPSFO4LIFE; 02-10-2010 at 07:58 AM.
02-10-2010, 07:49 AM
#104
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,480
Originally Posted by DLax85
The Supremacy Clause states that the US Constitution and Federal Statues are the Supreme Laws of the Land (i.e. can't be overruled even if a state law conflicts).
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
What the red part means is that Congress had to make our laws congruent with the ICAO treaty or vacate it. Why do you think Age 65 passed so quickly? Because a few pilots lobbied for it? Nonsense.
It was because ICAO went to 65, pure and simple.
02-10-2010, 08:02 AM
#105
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Posts: 397
Originally Posted by Fishfreighter
I guess you only read the parts you want to see:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
What the red part means is that Congress had to make our laws congruent with the ICAO treaty or vacate it. Why do you think Age 65 passed so quickly? Because a few pilots lobbied for it? Nonsense.
It was because ICAO went to 65, pure and simple.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
What the red part means is that Congress had to make our laws congruent with the ICAO treaty or vacate it. Why do you think Age 65 passed so quickly? Because a few pilots lobbied for it? Nonsense.
It was because ICAO went to 65, pure and simple.
From FAA's Age 60 Rule Homepage
The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) is a treaty association among sovereign nations (member States). As sovereigns, each member State (e.g., the U.S.) can make any rule for its own carriers and pilots - to apply world-wide. However, the ICAO treaty requires that a member State (i.e., the U.S.) may not impose a more restrictive rule than the ICAO standard on foreign carriers (and their pilots) operating in their respective national airspace.
The ICAO "age 60" standard is an enforceable limit of age 60 for PIC (pilots in command), but only a recommended maximum age 60 limit for co-pilots. These rules appear as paragrpahs 2.1.10.1 (captains) and 2.1.10.2 (co-pilots) in a document titled "Annex 1 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation." (Annex 1)
02-10-2010, 08:35 AM
#106
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Posts: 283
For the love of...
You two are about to make me vomit. Can you start another thread? We've got serious business happening here...
Originally Posted by FDX28
hmmmmm...... nonsense you say......
From FAA's Age 60 Rule Homepage
The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) is a treaty association among sovereign nations (member States). As sovereigns, each member State (e.g., the U.S.) can make any rule for its own carriers and pilots - to apply world-wide. However, the ICAO treaty requires that a member State (i.e., the U.S.) may not impose a more restrictive rule than the ICAO standard on foreign carriers (and their pilots) operating in their respective national airspace.
The ICAO "age 60" standard is an enforceable limit of age 60 for PIC (pilots in command), but only a recommended maximum age 60 limit for co-pilots. These rules appear as paragrpahs 2.1.10.1 (captains) and 2.1.10.2 (co-pilots) in a document titled "Annex 1 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation." (Annex 1)
From FAA's Age 60 Rule Homepage
The ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) is a treaty association among sovereign nations (member States). As sovereigns, each member State (e.g., the U.S.) can make any rule for its own carriers and pilots - to apply world-wide. However, the ICAO treaty requires that a member State (i.e., the U.S.) may not impose a more restrictive rule than the ICAO standard on foreign carriers (and their pilots) operating in their respective national airspace.
The ICAO "age 60" standard is an enforceable limit of age 60 for PIC (pilots in command), but only a recommended maximum age 60 limit for co-pilots. These rules appear as paragrpahs 2.1.10.1 (captains) and 2.1.10.2 (co-pilots) in a document titled "Annex 1 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation." (Annex 1)
02-10-2010, 09:26 AM
#107
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
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Posts: 372
Just got the call from ANC. "We're trying to be creative and help in any way we can." What a professional operation... Thanks 
02-10-2010, 09:28 AM
#108
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Position: looking for a bridge to sleep under in ANC
Posts: 180
Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
On a side note, it appears we already have opentime *****s out there. Looks like a senior Captain picked up a trip last night for March. Makes you feel great doesn't it!
02-10-2010, 09:34 AM
#109
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,144
Very sad in my book. I know all the facts are not in, but the trip was in opentime last night and it is now gone, and the Capt. has a PO next to his name, it don't look good. I really hope the union does something about this if this did occure. It is not a sick pickup or trade, but straight pick-up. I feel sorry for the FO that has to fly with this guy for the week!
02-10-2010, 09:38 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: MD 11 FO
Posts: 191
Wouldn't a sick pickup also be considered a pickup?
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