What ever happened to maximum week on/week off lines that we gave so much for in the last contract. This question is not about QOL, but the fact this is not enforced must be at least 100+ pilot positions. The IPA and UPS said that a 10% efficiency in scheduling resulted from the computer designed lines and that is 280 guys. That sounds real close to the 300.

We have been tolerating the lack of electronic trip trades forever and now an et al grievance is in the system. Is failure to enforce week on/week off line construction leading to part of the overstaffing/furlough letters?

Fish/300

Everyone in the IPA should COPY the open time lists and see who flies it.
Trip trading for more credit is PICKING UP OPEN TIME!!!
Pro Standards accepts phone calls.

I'm very familiar with the supremacy clause, and it has nothing to do with ICAO rules.
cp

Dude, you don't have to thank me. It was a no brainer.....it was the right thing to do. Yeah, I think it will affect more than the bottom 600. Going to ANC won't be great but I feel like it might not be that bad....I'm already looking at 2 weeks of reserve in SDF. Besides for the commute, I've debated bidding ANC anyways. I just feel bad for anyone getting furloughed and highly dissappointed the MOU didn't work out. It didn't have to be this way.

Fish, I am shoulder to shoulder with you on the open time ban/JA ban. I'm not sure I agree with you on trip trades.

If someone trades a trip to get days off for a daughter's birthday, a doctors appointment, an anniversary or whatever it still takes a trip from open time and replaces it with another (usually a crappier one). The burden to fly a single trip is still placed on the company and their ability to cover flights.

I welcome your difference of opinion, but I don't see how a one-for-one trip trade is the same as picking up open time nor do I see how it helps the company staffing.

Bottom 300 also,
FF

As a tag-on, the effect of a furlough will be farther reaching than just the bottom 600. Junior Capts will lose their seat, moving to a new domicile will be a fact of life, lineholders that could direct-report to trips, will now have to deadhead as scheduled when they can only hold reserve, and unfortunately (from seeing it at 4 other furloughs) working at UPS will become quite miserable.

Many will say, that this place is the worst job they ever worked at...all are entitled to their opinion even those who have not worked anywhere else. However, I content that this "belt-tightening" excercise in the face of extraordinary profits, bonuses, and reinstatement of raises will markedly reduce the quality of the job and morale.

We all can see the obvious coincidence between a 33 month furlough and the remaining months on the collective bargaining agreement and the ability to amend it.

Hopefully intelligence, foresight, and shrewdness will prevail and this excercise will be called off and the focus on cooperatively making money and becoming an industry leader will resume.

Just my two cents, your opinion may vary,
FF

Just curious, since I did not detect sarcasm...why do you think the poster is a Mangler ?

FF

I totally agree about QOL trades which naturally result in a little more or less to your line and this should continue. We do not need to self inflict wounds. My thought is many trades involve a small drop and a larger pickup. Specifically in days and not necessary hours. An example is trading a three day for a five day trip. Maybe I am wrong, but this makes one person "produce" more thereby needing fewer people. Staffing is not based solely upon block hours, but rather upon putting a person in the plane at a certain time which requires them to not be on the schedule someplace else. If they are gone when they should be at home, then someone else is sitting at home without a job.

My 2 cents
Fish

With the RIF languague UPS is about to send some relatively senior DC-8 folks to ANC, unless I misunderstand it completely. The suck factor will be spread all across our seniority list (although it's worst for the ones furloughed.)