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JustUnderPar , 05-19-2010 06:15 PM

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I wonder who the 4 out of 5 people moving to Anchorage are? I dont know anyone moving......

UPS to cut 262 pilots: Money | adn.com

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JustUnderPar , 05-19-2010 06:25 PM

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What can Brown do to you??

UPS Pilot Layoffs to Begin Sunday | Firstcoastnews.com | Money - Business and Financial News

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JustUnderPar , 05-19-2010 06:31 PM

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Anyone know when our mechanics cooling off period starts?

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Slice , 05-19-2010 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar

I wonder who the 4 out of 5 people moving to Anchorage are? I dont know anyone moving......

UPS to cut 262 pilots: Money | adn.com

They can't even get 4 out of 5 747 qual'd mangalers to move up there!

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JustUnderPar , 05-19-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Slice

They can't even get 4 out of 5 747 qual'd mangalers to move up there!

Now that is a come back!! Of course they have to "staff" the SDF 747 base!

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FliFast , 05-20-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CactusCrew

So you are on a first name basis by now ?

I have a recliner with my name on it..I guess thats what ya meant.

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FliFast , 05-20-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SaltyDog

Buck,
I stand corrected, you are correct. UPS makes no mention of what medium 'seperately' means. Our contract certainly does not require any followup. Only that we are given 90 days (improved from the previous CBA of 30 days).
Getting the extra days was smart for EB, a tad more pay for the 54. Reality:
Regarding EB looking out for UPS, really, simply using sound business management to negotiate a better deal for our 54. The best outcomes are when they see the business value of fulfilling our need/desire. Naturally, often opposed, but when it is available, a good negotiation strategy. The furlough delay was just such an argument that provided what IPA wanted and filled a business desire simultaneously.

Your right, IPA made a better offer, voluntarily, but not enough to cover pension freezes, wage cuts, PBS, RIF rules, etc. that management decided were must haves. UPS really does a poor job of metric collection on employees. Southwest and other corporations are masters of this supposedly intangible metric. Treat employees well, you get amazing productivity and happy customers. UPS is predisposed to strict control ("We make enough money anyway" --UPS manager 1997)
Management--not leadership.
Personally, the 300 when hired bled brown like we all did, but most held onto the brown blood even after a few smacks. Why? They really did leave some decent opportunities to come to Big Brown. They really were an opportunity to management to weaken the IPA IMO. Met many who thought nothing of waiving the contract to help out in a pinch. When UPS violated the contract, you could ask the motivated 300. "You gonna file a grievance?" Answer: "nah, UPS is a good company"

As customary, UPS squandered that opportunity as we all know happens eventually. Now, they have forever altered them and reminded crews, UPS corporate organizational structure is flawed in its ability to maximize profit by taking advantage of employees who would volunteer to take care of fellow crews. That same spirit, managed by leadership in the corporate world are paid extraordinary dividends. Just like crews waiving the contract to make service. Those opportunities to make service in challenging times are now sadly, faced by crews who will hav been furloughed and are not incentivized to look after UPS, but themselves. Thus management continues the cycle they profess to dislike. The really sharp managers must pull their hair out at the inability to really lead. We all lose.

Well thought..well-written, Salty. The next six months will be very defining for the pilot group.

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brownie , 05-20-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by FliFast

Well thought..well-written, Salty. The next six months will be very defining for the pilot group.

6 months?? you mean 2 years.

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FliFast , 05-20-2010 06:30 PM

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Brownie,

I think your point is well-taken, because in the next two years "stuff" is set to happen. By all means, I can totally see your point.

However, keeping true to the thread's original subject, the next six months will see UPS furlough 170 pilots for the first time in their airline's history.

Certain questions come to mind in the next six months:

Will the company be able to MEF after Sunday.
With the increased flying that appears to be heading our way will safety, fatigue, and new people in new seats become an issue.
Will the company furlough according to the printed schedule.
Will reliability of our product suffer
Will the FAA amend our rest rules
Will the European crisis and strengthening dollar affect us.

Blah blah blah...in any event, I do admit to have been short-sighted, but I think the way UPS/IPA handle the first 170 furloughes will defining. Will the company blink first.

We have the same problem in front of us, just two different ways of interpreting it.

Regards,
FF

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JustUnderPar , 05-20-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FliFast

As far as the company flying MEF after Sunday, I guess we will see what the Judge says when B.T. files an injunction. Already said this one was gonna happen. Hard to believe you are overstaffed when you are conducting MEF. The IPA "volunteered" to fly extra (before the furlough notice). Not required to do it. No one is (dont go there, please).
You get into some interesting labor laws. No clear answer on this one. Like I said it depends on what the judge says.

Training is already an issue with the FAA.

The company will furlough till it hurts. The FQS are going to feel this one. Dont fly with these guys that have been working all day. When one shows up for a flight ask them what they have been doing all day? Its a legit question.

What will be interesting out of this whole thing is that UPS is wanting to save money by furloughing union workers. Our flying is being done by non-union FQS's. Wonder who will be writing these people about what is happening here:
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee

Fedex may like it.

-JUP