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Old 04-12-2010 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8
We should have 10 by the end of the calendar year unless something has changed in the last few weeks.
Yep...the 13 number is what i heard too. Also heard alpa won the 777 pay lawsuit as well.
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Old 04-12-2010 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 990Convair
Yep...the 13 number is what i heard too. Also heard alpa won the 777 pay lawsuit as well.

It was a grievance (not really the same as a lawsuit I don't believe?). Although I REALLY hope we won, I'd be really disappointed in MY union if the haven't put that word out to ALL of us dues paying members. Did I miss an email?
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Old 04-13-2010 | 06:44 AM
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It was a grievance (not really the same as a lawsuit I don't believe?).
Small point, but this has been stated before. The 777 pay issue is neither a lawsuit nor a grievance.

It is a Contractual Arbitration per Section 26K (new aircraft).

BTW I am sure ALPA would have published such a Win if it has occurred, don't you think?
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Old 04-13-2010 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Small point, but this has been stated before. The 777 pay issue is neither a lawsuit nor a grievance.

It is a Contractual Arbitration per Section 26K (new aircraft).

BTW I am sure ALPA would have published such a Win if it has occurred, don't you think?

Pardon my ignorance, (I've got plenty if someone needs some), but what does it mean to us if we win/lose this arbitration.

Thanks
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Old 04-13-2010 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by v1 uh-oh
Pardon my ignorance, (I've got plenty if someone needs some), but what does it mean to us if we win/lose this arbitration.

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Alpa (we) win, 777 pays the A380 rates in the CBA and 777 guys get it retroactively. Company wins (we lose) and the 777 pays WB rates like it does now. Of course, the arbitrator could go somewhere in between, also.
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Old 04-13-2010 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot
Alpa (we) win, 777 pays the A380 rates in the CBA and 777 guys get it retroactively. Company wins (we lose) and the 777 pays WB rates like it does now. Of course, the arbitrator could go somewhere in between, also.
Keep in mind......this arbitration (or whatever) is ONLY about the 777 pay rate.

The "A380 Double-Plus" duty limits/rest rules are NOT a part of this arbitration.

Those rules have already been agreed to in our CBA and ONLY apply to the A380 - as specifically stated in the contract language.

Unless ALPA makes some kind of "deal", those CBA "A380 Double-Plus" rules that the company would like to apply to the 777 (as a replacement for the A380) will have to be negotiated separately from this Pay Rate arbitration.
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Old 04-13-2010 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
Keep in mind......this arbitration (or whatever) is ONLY about the 777 pay rate.

The "A380 Double-Plus" duty limits/rest rules are NOT a part of this arbitration.

Those rules have already been agreed to in our CBA and ONLY apply to the A380 - as specifically stated in the contract language.

Unless ALPA makes some kind of "deal", those CBA "A380 Double-Plus" rules that the company would like to apply to the 777 (as a replacement for the A380) will have to be negotiated separately from this Pay Rate arbitration.
And hopefully, that can be leveraged come CBA negotiations, to get some real improvements.
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Old 04-13-2010 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by v1 uh-oh
Pardon my ignorance, (I've got plenty if someone needs some), but what does it mean to us if we win/lose this arbitration.

Thanks
No Apology required. My wife sez I'm ignorant all the time!

Per all the Union info I have read and been emailed and in talks with my block rep:

If we lose the Arbitration, the 777 will be considered a Wide Body and WB pay rates in our contract will apply.

If we Win this arbitration, the 777 will be a new Category Aircraft or potentially the 777 could be added or included to the A380 Category.
The former is more likely imho.

If we win a new Pay rate will be established for the 777 and per Section 26K any new pay rate will be retroactive. At least that is how I read it and how it was explained to me by my block rep. Fingers crossed!
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