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Old 03-30-2010 | 02:22 PM
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Before I posted, I understood that the contracted dictated arbitration regarding the pay of the 777F at the company. I was half being a smart ass half curious. I think it's silly to include the new frame in 'wb pay scale' but I also don't want 4a2b any longer than necessary.

That said, the idea that 777 crews bid it regardless of pay scale is comical. If you want to drive a 777 just because, go back to AA or UA and give the FE on the 727 a chance to move up.

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Old 03-31-2010 | 03:41 AM
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That said, the idea that 777 crews bid it regardless of pay scale is comical. If you want to drive a 777 just because, go back to AA or UA and give the FE on the 727 a chance to move up.
Right on. Before we negotiate one extra penny for the 777, we need to negotiate a better scale for the 757 since it is taking the bus flying. Those that bid the 777 betting on "the come" can wait. How about wide body pay for all my friends like the UPS scale?
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Old 03-31-2010 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by purpledog
Right on. Before we negotiate one extra penny for the 777, we need to negotiate a better scale for the 757 since it is taking the bus flying. Those that bid the 777 betting on "the come" can wait. How about wide body pay for all my friends like the UPS scale?
We already traded a "better scale" on the 757 for the A380 pay rates....don't hold your breath.

Besides.....the 777 pay rate has been in arbitration for a while now....shouldn't be long before we have a rate.

Wonder if the decision on the pay rate will come before or after the upcoming vacancy bid?? Maybe that's another piece of the puzzle they're waiting on before putting out the bid?
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Old 04-01-2010 | 04:30 AM
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What bid?
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Old 04-01-2010 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
We already traded a "better scale" on the 757 for the A380 pay rates....
We traded a decent FDA LOA for 777 pay rates too...then got the shaft.

Thankfully most of the reps that pushed that POS are gone now. And they still defend their actions

The 777s are coming. Unless they want them to sit, they're going to need more crewmembers even without a payrate.

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Old 04-01-2010 | 11:23 AM
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The 777s are coming. Unless they want them to sit, they're going to need more crewmembers even without a payrate.
Wishful thinking indeed. Someone will always fly it because it's a shiny new 777. One big tube same as another to me.

Since a lot of us will probably be flying the 75 when all the MDs and Buses go away (if rumors are true, could start during this contract), getting a higher rate for the 75 seems like the most prudent thing to do. I'd forgo a WB pay raise on the next contract to bring the NB pay up to the same.
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Old 04-01-2010 | 11:52 AM
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Purple Dog, I like what you are saying brother.
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Old 04-01-2010 | 12:25 PM
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One pay scale or nine is my motto. Two is dumb, three is dumber.
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Old 04-01-2010 | 05:26 PM
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Remember, the company wanted one pay scale (like UPS) last contract. But big Bob and DW didn't. They fought against it. I remember one roadshow where they were spouting their typical BS that they were looking out for everyone by ensuring that the top 10% could max out with some serious international pay...

Thanks BOB -
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Old 04-01-2010 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by purpledog
Wishful thinking indeed. Someone will always fly it because it's a shiny new 777. One big tube same as another to me.

Since a lot of us will probably be flying the 75 when all the MDs and Buses go away (if rumors are true, could start during this contract), getting a higher rate for the 75 seems like the most prudent thing to do. I'd forgo a WB pay raise on the next contract to bring the NB pay up to the same.
Gee...That would really be terrific. I'm sure the 4000 other pilots that fly the widebodies, would really think that is a great idea.
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