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Old 06-05-2010 | 03:50 PM
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Furloughees have 7 years then no recall rights. With managers flying and the amount of flying going down UPS will do everything in their power to keep furloughees out that long just so they do not have to recall them. The rest of the IPA will be fine and furloughees will be pay the ultimate price for the better of the "whole" union.
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Old 06-05-2010 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
Furloughees have 7 years then no recall rights. With managers flying and the amount of flying going down UPS will do everything in their power to keep furloughees out that long just so they do not have to recall them. The rest of the IPA will be fine and furloughees will be pay the ultimate price for the better of the "whole" union.
You forgot to add that the world is going to end on 12-12-12, anyway!
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Old 06-05-2010 | 05:06 PM
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I'm sure that the FQSs appreciate the sentiment expressed on the banner. Can anyone tell me why the same sentiment wasn't expressed fifteen years ago?
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Old 06-05-2010 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
Furloughees have 7 years then no recall rights. With managers flying and the amount of flying going down UPS will do everything in their power to keep furloughees out that long just so they do not have to recall them. The rest of the IPA will be fine and furloughees will be pay the ultimate price for the better of the "whole" union.
This is not true. In the 3.5 years I have been here they have hired like gangbusters and also furloughed. No telling what the economy will do in the next year or two! That is the only saving grace we will all have at the end. Lets not throw in the towel just yet. I am looking at other jobs in other professions outside of flying in case this doesnt improve.
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Old 06-05-2010 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER
Furloughees have 7 years then no recall rights. With managers flying and the amount of flying going down UPS will do everything in their power to keep furloughees out that long just so they do not have to recall them. The rest of the IPA will be fine and furloughees will be pay the ultimate price for the better of the "whole" union.
if there is zero hiring with all the up coming retirements in the next 7 years they would not have paid the price but have been the smart ones being the first to jump from a sinking ship
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Old 06-05-2010 | 08:22 PM
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if there is zero hiring with all the up coming retirements in the next 7 years they would not have paid the price but have been the smart ones being the first to jump from a sinking ship
350 retirements in the next 7 years 500 in the next 10!? Sad, but time to jump from the sinking ship for sure if UPS wants and can operate with 2500 pilots.
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Old 06-06-2010 | 09:12 PM
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IMHO, successful furloughs for a company are like liquid heroin. If it works once to reduce headcount, avoid paying move packages, used for contract talks, or any other inflamatory union-busting it will be used again. For the bottom 300 this may not be your last furlough at UPS.
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Old 06-07-2010 | 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 177RG
I'm sure that the FQSs appreciate the sentiment expressed on the banner. Can anyone tell me why the same sentiment wasn't expressed fifteen years ago?

Times change, people change, pretty simple really ...
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Old 06-07-2010 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FliFast
IMHO, successful furloughs for a company are like liquid heroin. If it works once to reduce headcount, avoid paying move packages, used for contract talks, or any other inflamatory union-busting it will be used again. For the bottom 300 this may not be your last furlough at UPS.

Now, now FF, that is all just part of being junior. You'll upgrade around here soon enough. UPS just fake fouloughs anyway. Don't worry about it.

What ... ? You mean big brown layed some guys off. When did this happen ?

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Old 06-07-2010 | 05:03 AM
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CC,

The liquid heroin is only for UPS Management. I have some modeling glue in the kitchen drawers for us bottom 300.

Breathe...smile....repeat.

FF
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