OooUps, they did it again.
07-07-2010, 08:59 PM
#111
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Position: UPS Captain
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Slice,
If you want to know who GUMBIE actually is let me know. Probably would not like it since he works in the ANC Training Center............
Gumbie. I am impressed. You did not misspell anything. Even though I know you try
Now if we can just work on that big CHIP. What happened to your 3 MD buddies could happen to you. Watch yourself.
JUP
If you want to know who GUMBIE actually is let me know. Probably would not like it since he works in the ANC Training Center............
Gumbie. I am impressed. You did not misspell anything. Even though I know you try
Now if we can just work on that big CHIP. What happened to your 3 MD buddies could happen to you. Watch yourself.
JUP
07-07-2010, 09:16 PM
#112
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Mom Note:
Ok, boys and girls, stay civil and classy now. If you have a point to make, make it in a professional, non-argumentative way or it will be deleted and you will get an infraction or two. Stay on track, don't bash others, don't take things personally, don't use profanity, don't repeat the same concept repeatedly over and over again, think/take a deep breath before hitting the "submit" button. If there is someone you don't like, put this person on Ignore and move on.
So simple even airline pilots can do it!
Ok, boys and girls, stay civil and classy now. If you have a point to make, make it in a professional, non-argumentative way or it will be deleted and you will get an infraction or two. Stay on track, don't bash others, don't take things personally, don't use profanity, don't repeat the same concept repeatedly over and over again, think/take a deep breath before hitting the "submit" button. If there is someone you don't like, put this person on Ignore and move on.
So simple even airline pilots can do it!
07-07-2010, 10:36 PM
#113
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: -400 FO
Posts: 300
Originally Posted by Soyathink
My objective is it is always the same ones casting stones. My objective hopefully to help those furloughed back to work. My objective is to inform (UPS Turning down military business, FDX stealing accounts from UPS by offering ground rates with Express transit times hiding under RLA) people of what is going on.
You just answered my question before. "In fact many are getting ready to apply at FedEx._"
What do you expect? UPS is leaving them jobless...UPS is losing their loyalty by furloughing in ANC. They bled brown up until that point. UPS can change this course.
Is the IPA afraid to join with UPS and the Teamsters in DC? Is the IPA pilots afraid if something happens they can't "apply at FedEx"? Former IPA Pres. Miller sent a letter to UPS for pref hiring of out of work ASTAR/ABX Pilots. Is the ALPA President sending a letter to Fred Smith asking that furloughed UPS Pilots get preferential hiring at Fed Ex? I don't see it on this board or any board for that matter. Why would the ALPA help a furloughed IPA Pilot get hired when they have 500 Astar ALPA pilots that are in need of work? Will the IPA get Teamster support at this round of negotiations since the IPA isn't supporting UPS or the Teamsters in DC?
I am sure if the IPA got the full support of UPS to unionize the FQS then UPS would get the full support of the IPA in DC. I would love to see both groups come together and hammer something out on this one. You want to bring the peace offering? I can't, I am out of here soon and don't have a voice.
UPS tried going after the DHL volume. Nice that the ALPA picketed UPS Atlanta.
ALPA News Release
Well UPS DHL deal didn't happen, DHL employees still lost their jobs. 300 ups pilots lost their jobs. Why isn't the IPA picketing the ALPA? Why isn't the IPA picketing Memphis in regards the RLA and hiding behind it? Why isn't the IPA joining both UPS and the Teamsters in fighting FDX and the RLA?
See above
How many posts can you pull up that UPS isn't trying to get volume? Just today Cactus posted that UPS is turning away military contracts. I pulled up on right when he said that. At that same exact time UPS had 22 flights in the air compared to FDX's 13. But again UPS is doing nothing but trying to put pilots out of work
Are those all UPS flights or team flights? I have been hearing over and over how UPS has dropped the ball on this one.
So again what I'm trying to accomplish is that all the BS on here in regards UPS doesn't care is just that BS. Nobody here has taken ownership in anything but themselves. Everybody here has blinders on and doesn't see what is going on. Everything is all UPS's fault all the time here. Everything from UPS helped ruin the economy to just "UPS Sucks" Most of it is probably just a few percent of the 2800 but still people read these forums besides pilots. We have the Freight Forwarder who says he is no longer using UPS since they Furloughed. He gets his info here. You have FDX Sales who all they have to do is show their clients what is posted here. You have potential UPS customers reading what is posted here. Look at the original post in this thread and the title All of this is doing a fantastic job of preventing more furloughs and possibly those that were furloughed getting recalled. Great Work to you all at taking care of your own....
Flame away
You just answered my question before. "In fact many are getting ready to apply at FedEx._"
What do you expect? UPS is leaving them jobless...UPS is losing their loyalty by furloughing in ANC. They bled brown up until that point. UPS can change this course.
Is the IPA afraid to join with UPS and the Teamsters in DC? Is the IPA pilots afraid if something happens they can't "apply at FedEx"? Former IPA Pres. Miller sent a letter to UPS for pref hiring of out of work ASTAR/ABX Pilots. Is the ALPA President sending a letter to Fred Smith asking that furloughed UPS Pilots get preferential hiring at Fed Ex? I don't see it on this board or any board for that matter. Why would the ALPA help a furloughed IPA Pilot get hired when they have 500 Astar ALPA pilots that are in need of work? Will the IPA get Teamster support at this round of negotiations since the IPA isn't supporting UPS or the Teamsters in DC?
I am sure if the IPA got the full support of UPS to unionize the FQS then UPS would get the full support of the IPA in DC. I would love to see both groups come together and hammer something out on this one. You want to bring the peace offering? I can't, I am out of here soon and don't have a voice.
UPS tried going after the DHL volume. Nice that the ALPA picketed UPS Atlanta.
ALPA News Release
Well UPS DHL deal didn't happen, DHL employees still lost their jobs. 300 ups pilots lost their jobs. Why isn't the IPA picketing the ALPA? Why isn't the IPA picketing Memphis in regards the RLA and hiding behind it? Why isn't the IPA joining both UPS and the Teamsters in fighting FDX and the RLA?
See above
How many posts can you pull up that UPS isn't trying to get volume? Just today Cactus posted that UPS is turning away military contracts. I pulled up on right when he said that. At that same exact time UPS had 22 flights in the air compared to FDX's 13. But again UPS is doing nothing but trying to put pilots out of work
Are those all UPS flights or team flights? I have been hearing over and over how UPS has dropped the ball on this one.
So again what I'm trying to accomplish is that all the BS on here in regards UPS doesn't care is just that BS. Nobody here has taken ownership in anything but themselves. Everybody here has blinders on and doesn't see what is going on. Everything is all UPS's fault all the time here. Everything from UPS helped ruin the economy to just "UPS Sucks"
Most of it is probably just a few percent of the 2800 but still people read these forums besides pilots. We have the Freight Forwarder who says he is no longer using UPS since they Furloughed. He gets his info here. You have FDX Sales who all they have to do is show their clients what is posted here. You have potential UPS customers reading what is posted here. Look at the original post in this thread and the title All of this is doing a fantastic job of preventing more furloughs and possibly those that were furloughed getting recalled. Great Work to you all at taking care of your own....Flame away
I did my part with MOU I. I took a 35% pay reduction. Most of the bottom 300 did. Some took a 50% pay/work reduction. You had quite a turn out from the majority of the pilot group. No, it wasn't everyone but you had quite a lot. We missed the goal by a little, ok, a lot, but only since the goal line was moved.
I get the part that we are overstaffed but you (I mean UPS) handled this very poorly. You wanted leverage, admit it, it's clear to see. If you want the IPA to come together on the issues that you mentioned above I suggest that the company (you) approach them. Most of us on this site are out. We are not players in this game anymore. We are side-lined once again. Looking for work is now more important, we are not sitting on Daddy's inheritance.
07-07-2010, 11:09 PM
#114
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 397
Originally Posted by AerisArmis
Done, thanks....Soyamilk is gone. 500 or so posts in one week from an unemployed know-it-all loser is beyond grating. He's like a bad horror movie, "The thing that won't Shut The Foxtrot Up!"
Hey great post. Attack me personally like I said. Great attitude. You call me a loser rolleyes: So I disagree with you so I should be banned??? What has this post of yours accomplished? How is it productive?
Last edited by Soyathink; 07-08-2010 at 12:12 AM.
07-07-2010, 11:51 PM
#116
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: UPS Captain
Posts: 837
Originally Posted by Soyathink
Hey great post. Attack me personally like I said. Gee attitudes like this no wonder UPS is furloughing. Who would want to work with this?
I dont always agree with what you say. But some of the responses are amusing.
07-07-2010, 11:59 PM
#117
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Position: Brown ones
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by Soyathink
Hey great post. Attack me personally like I said. Gee attitudes like this no wonder UPS is furloughing. Who would want to work with this?
AA works for FedEx. That's typical of an ACP to not know what he's talking about though. At least you all are consistant. It's time to put the brown bong down Timmer.
07-08-2010, 12:07 AM
#118
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Posts: 397
Originally Posted by Luckydawg
See above in green.
What do you expect? UPS is leaving them jobless...UPS is losing their loyalty by furloughing in ANC. They bled brown up until that point. UPS can change this course.
So would furloughing anywhere else say SDF be any better? Remember that not just pilots lost jobs. Some may have but I have been on this board for 5 years and have seen plenty of UPS bashing. You say UPS can change this course. With attitudes like what I see here why would they want to? There are two sides to every story and the truth is always in the middle. Things like flying over a managment golf outing and issuing press releases doesn't do anybody any good.
I am sure if the IPA got the full support of UPS to unionize the FQS then UPS would get the full support of the IPA in DC. I would love to see both groups come together and hammer something out on this one. You want to bring the peace offering? I can't, I am out of here soon and don't have a voice.
So what is stopping the IPA to unionize the FQS'? I'm sure it would be easier than the Teamsters organizing at FDX. Why is it so important to organize the FQS's. If the furloughs continue then all it will do is add to the seniority list wouldn't it? Please explain the whole thing and why it is important so I understand. If I could bring a peace offing I would. Everybody has a voice.
Are those all UPS flights or team flights? I have been hearing over and over how UPS has dropped the ball on this one.
See you have been hearing. I think that is a lot of the problem. Remember two sides to every story. I posted links in another post, You can enter flight numbers. These were UPS flights using UPS aircraft with UPS N numbers. Again hearing mis information. I would have asked if they were IPA crews or Management crews then asked for hard proof. Dig more and hear less.
I did my part with MOU I. I took a 35% pay reduction. Most of the bottom 300 did. Some took a 50% pay/work reduction. You had quite a turn out from the majority of the pilot group. No, it wasn't everyone but you had quite a lot. We missed the goal by a little, ok, a lot, but only since the goal line was moved.
Why didn't all do it? Is that the fault of the company? How many companies out there that have laid off even thried to work with the employees. Most of them said sorry and good bye. I worked for one and they made alot of profit. They just announced a dividend. So what you say Daddy's inheritance is what I have? My Dad isn't dead and I have worked consistantly except in college until now. I earned plenty of money on my own. You don't know me (facts) but yet you can post an uninformed post here for the entire world to see. Seems alot do.
I get the part that we are overstaffed but you (I mean UPS) handled this very poorly.
Furloughing on Fathers Day is poorly planned. If it is true that UPS just left the ANC furloughed pilots up there without moving assistance, then thats bad. I would be the first to write Scott Davis to say UPS need to do the right thing. If you look at the entire history of UPS, how many times have they laid off? This is the first pilot furlough in company history other than talk of it a number of years ago. Mistakes are made. Everybody makes them. You learn from it.
You wanted leverage, admit it, it's clear to see.
Not me I wasn't part of that. I do have negotiating experience and do know that while negotiating both side want leverage. Am I wrong there?
If you want the IPA to come together on the issues that you mentioned above I suggest that the company (you) approach them.
Im not the company so I can't. I have a voice though and am using it. Why did everything fall apart right after BT got elected IPA Pres? Again a company working with employees about to be laid off is very rare. The company delayed furloughs for some time. It didn't work. Are you saying there is no chance of getting recalled at Peak? Are you saying there is no chance to get recalled with each new aircraft delivery? Are you saying there is no chance to get recalled with retirements? I can say that with some of the attitudes on here who would want to work with them.
Most of us on this site are out. We are not players in this game anymore. We are side-lined once again. Looking for work is now more important, we are not sitting on Daddy's inheritance.
I'm sorry that you are sidelined again. Who or what was to blame the other times? If looking for work is so important then why come on here and bash UPS and burn bridges? Again you are thinking there is no chance of recall. If volume improves, people retire, new aircraft are delivered who is going to fly them. 2 out of the desert in the last month. Burning bridges makes a hostile working environment. You comment of Daddys inheritance I'll let go because my Dad is alive and you don't know me. See Above. Speculation and hearing without seeing facts isn't good.
What do you expect? UPS is leaving them jobless...UPS is losing their loyalty by furloughing in ANC. They bled brown up until that point. UPS can change this course.
So would furloughing anywhere else say SDF be any better? Remember that not just pilots lost jobs. Some may have but I have been on this board for 5 years and have seen plenty of UPS bashing. You say UPS can change this course. With attitudes like what I see here why would they want to? There are two sides to every story and the truth is always in the middle. Things like flying over a managment golf outing and issuing press releases doesn't do anybody any good.
I am sure if the IPA got the full support of UPS to unionize the FQS then UPS would get the full support of the IPA in DC. I would love to see both groups come together and hammer something out on this one. You want to bring the peace offering? I can't, I am out of here soon and don't have a voice.
So what is stopping the IPA to unionize the FQS'? I'm sure it would be easier than the Teamsters organizing at FDX. Why is it so important to organize the FQS's. If the furloughs continue then all it will do is add to the seniority list wouldn't it? Please explain the whole thing and why it is important so I understand. If I could bring a peace offing I would. Everybody has a voice.
Are those all UPS flights or team flights? I have been hearing over and over how UPS has dropped the ball on this one.
See you have been hearing. I think that is a lot of the problem. Remember two sides to every story. I posted links in another post, You can enter flight numbers. These were UPS flights using UPS aircraft with UPS N numbers. Again hearing mis information. I would have asked if they were IPA crews or Management crews then asked for hard proof. Dig more and hear less.
I did my part with MOU I. I took a 35% pay reduction. Most of the bottom 300 did. Some took a 50% pay/work reduction. You had quite a turn out from the majority of the pilot group. No, it wasn't everyone but you had quite a lot. We missed the goal by a little, ok, a lot, but only since the goal line was moved.
Why didn't all do it? Is that the fault of the company? How many companies out there that have laid off even thried to work with the employees. Most of them said sorry and good bye. I worked for one and they made alot of profit. They just announced a dividend. So what you say Daddy's inheritance is what I have? My Dad isn't dead and I have worked consistantly except in college until now. I earned plenty of money on my own. You don't know me (facts) but yet you can post an uninformed post here for the entire world to see. Seems alot do.
I get the part that we are overstaffed but you (I mean UPS) handled this very poorly.
Furloughing on Fathers Day is poorly planned. If it is true that UPS just left the ANC furloughed pilots up there without moving assistance, then thats bad. I would be the first to write Scott Davis to say UPS need to do the right thing. If you look at the entire history of UPS, how many times have they laid off? This is the first pilot furlough in company history other than talk of it a number of years ago. Mistakes are made. Everybody makes them. You learn from it.
You wanted leverage, admit it, it's clear to see.
Not me I wasn't part of that. I do have negotiating experience and do know that while negotiating both side want leverage. Am I wrong there?
If you want the IPA to come together on the issues that you mentioned above I suggest that the company (you) approach them.
Im not the company so I can't. I have a voice though and am using it. Why did everything fall apart right after BT got elected IPA Pres? Again a company working with employees about to be laid off is very rare. The company delayed furloughs for some time. It didn't work. Are you saying there is no chance of getting recalled at Peak? Are you saying there is no chance to get recalled with each new aircraft delivery? Are you saying there is no chance to get recalled with retirements? I can say that with some of the attitudes on here who would want to work with them.
Most of us on this site are out. We are not players in this game anymore. We are side-lined once again. Looking for work is now more important, we are not sitting on Daddy's inheritance.
I'm sorry that you are sidelined again. Who or what was to blame the other times? If looking for work is so important then why come on here and bash UPS and burn bridges? Again you are thinking there is no chance of recall. If volume improves, people retire, new aircraft are delivered who is going to fly them. 2 out of the desert in the last month. Burning bridges makes a hostile working environment. You comment of Daddys inheritance I'll let go because my Dad is alive and you don't know me. See Above. Speculation and hearing without seeing facts isn't good.
07-08-2010, 12:41 AM
#120
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 397
Originally Posted by Slice
Those dickheads are few and being dealt with. I've done my part. If you want to help spend your time writing to Davis asking why he's not trying to expand this company's reach like FDX.
Should expanding companys reach be hiding under the RLA to steal marketshare from UPS? Should expanding market share be telling 250,000 UPS divers that they are now independent contractors thaat have to but their trucks?
UPS lobbying with the Teamsters to change FDEX status isn't trying to help?
Here are some links and you can find more of UPS expanding reach. Vietnam, Turkey, ect. This is just to May there are plenty more.
UPS Applauds New Effort to Finalize Korea Trade Deal - UPS Pressroom
UPS Operating Shenzhen Hub, Worldport Expansion Finished - UPS Pressroom
PosLaju and UPS Form Alliance - UPS Pressroom
UPS Helping Small and Mid-Size Businesses Compete Globally - UPS Pressroom
UPS and P & T Express Establish Company to Expand Operations in Vietnam - UPS Pressroom
UPS Establishes Alliance with Alibaba.com - UPS Pressroom
Ask him why their stock rebounded from being below ours in the last year and now down nearly 20% over the last half year or so. Ask him why they missed the filing deadline for military lift contracts last year leaving money out there for our competitors to pick up. You posting on APC is hardly helping anyone in the IPA. GMAFB.
Should expanding companys reach be hiding under the RLA to steal marketshare from UPS? Should expanding market share be telling 250,000 UPS divers that they are now independent contractors thaat have to but their trucks?
UPS lobbying with the Teamsters to change FDEX status isn't trying to help?
Here are some links and you can find more of UPS expanding reach. Vietnam, Turkey, ect. This is just to May there are plenty more.
UPS Applauds New Effort to Finalize Korea Trade Deal - UPS Pressroom
UPS Operating Shenzhen Hub, Worldport Expansion Finished - UPS Pressroom
PosLaju and UPS Form Alliance - UPS Pressroom
UPS Helping Small and Mid-Size Businesses Compete Globally - UPS Pressroom
UPS and P & T Express Establish Company to Expand Operations in Vietnam - UPS Pressroom
UPS Establishes Alliance with Alibaba.com - UPS Pressroom
Ask him why their stock rebounded from being below ours in the last year and now down nearly 20% over the last half year or so. Ask him why they missed the filing deadline for military lift contracts last year leaving money out there for our competitors to pick up. You posting on APC is hardly helping anyone in the IPA. GMAFB.
Missed the filing for Military lift contracts last year? Can you provide something proving that? I have heard that UPS is turning down that business but have seen pics of UPS 744's in Azores, Ramstien, Dover, ect. I pulled up a flight yesterday that was in the air and included links proving that UPS military flights are happening ather than I heard? With Bases in Germany, England, Hawaii how much military volume is going on regular UPS flights to EMA, EDDK, PHNL and trucked?
Posting on APC is hardly helping anybody? Why do you post? So when a customer sees a post like UPSOOOOOPS and UPS Sucks with no facts or based off of crewbus rumour or just a poor attitude and decides to ship via a competitor that helps? So when the FDX Sales guy pulls this site up on his crack berry or i phone and tells Bass Pro Shops see what UPS' is doing from the posts on this site, that helps? So when the competition is going out and saying hey we cant strike like UPS does, so you don't have to worry about your packages, that helps?
Don't know how my posts got lumped in with your quote Sorry My posts are the links and in red above and below the quote.
Last edited by Soyathink; 07-08-2010 at 12:53 AM.
