OooUps, they did it again.
07-08-2010, 01:25 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
Man, you need to go to sleep.
I'll sleep when Im dead.
I'm also on other sites like Monster, Career Builder and Ect. trying to get a job. Ooops I'm living off of "Daddys inheritance" I don't need a job
07-08-2010, 02:39 AM
#123
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IPA Press Releases
Where was the IPA surveys when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
Where were the IPA Pilots in the news when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
There wasn't a furlough then.
No UPS/IPA Pilots promoting the company you work for though. No trying to gain marketshare.
Some say the company isn't working with the IPA? What do you call above then? Working with the company?
3 union presidents and when the other two were in one was accused of being to close to the company, the other too close to the 88ers. What will it be with this one? Everything is always everybody elses fault. I think some will never be happy no matter what.
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
Where was the IPA surveys when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
Where were the IPA Pilots in the news when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
There wasn't a furlough then.
No UPS/IPA Pilots promoting the company you work for though. No trying to gain marketshare.
Some say the company isn't working with the IPA? What do you call above then? Working with the company?
3 union presidents and when the other two were in one was accused of being to close to the company, the other too close to the 88ers. What will it be with this one? Everything is always everybody elses fault. I think some will never be happy no matter what.
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
Last edited by Soyathink; 07-08-2010 at 02:53 AM.
07-08-2010, 04:05 AM
#124
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
IPA Press Releases
Where was the IPA surveys when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
Where were the IPA Pilots in the news when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
There wasn't a furlough then.
No UPS/IPA Pilots promoting the company you work for though. No trying to gain marketshare.
Some say the company isn't working with the IPA? What do you call above then? Working with the company?
3 union presidents and when the other two were in one was accused of being to close to the company, the other too close to the 88ers. What will it be with this one? Everything is always everybody elses fault. I think some will never be happy no matter what.
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
Where was the IPA surveys when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
Where were the IPA Pilots in the news when UPS was adding jobs in Alaska?
There wasn't a furlough then.
No UPS/IPA Pilots promoting the company you work for though. No trying to gain marketshare.
Some say the company isn't working with the IPA? What do you call above then? Working with the company?
3 union presidents and when the other two were in one was accused of being to close to the company, the other too close to the 88ers. What will it be with this one? Everything is always everybody elses fault. I think some will never be happy no matter what.
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
See Salty's comments, he has worked tirelessly to obtain additional military work for UPS which they have either not gone after or deferred to another airline.
The ANC pilots where at the top in finding new customers for the company.
Over the years I have attempted to bring customers in and was blown off by some package car mentality manager. Only to watch as FDX moved in and grabbed the business.
The IPA tried more than once to bring in entire overseas route authorities and they where ignored by the company, UPS had the opportunity to buy the NWA pacific freight system in the middle 90's and blew it off, they could have had route authorities and aircraft for a song compared to what it cost them to build the system.
The work environment sucks because UPS has worked every day to grind the pilots into submission, it drives them crazy that it hasn't worked.
It was made evident long ago that since we are not "partners" that they don't want to hear from us.
Last edited by 757upspilot; 07-08-2010 at 04:16 AM.
07-08-2010, 04:21 AM
#125
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Soyathink,
You have certainly got to be kidding with your above-mentioned comments. It is not a unions job to promote the company for which its members work. It's their job to represent its members in establishing work rules, benefits, etc, and to intercede on behalf of their members when disagreements arise between the company and its workers.
You seem to have a misconception of what employees' responsibilities are. As well, you seem to not understand that anything an employee does, above and beyond his or her job description, is usually done because the company has earned some degree of goodwill, and the employee, feeling good about the company, decides to perform tasks, outside of their job description. You say you want employees to promote the company? How can you expect this when your company treats its employees like sh!t. No, UPS has never been known as an employee oriented company, instead, it's known, throughout the world as a company that only values the work effort of its employees, while continuing to monitor their every work moment. Why else, as an example, would your air division, with about 2800 pilots, need a staff of over 200 managers?
While I can almost understand your devotion to UPS, I don't understand why you can't grasp the concept of cause and effect. When things were going well for UPS, your pilots who posted here, for the most part, had really nothing but good things to say about their company. However, now that UPS has decided to furlough, you don't seem to understand why your pilots have turned so negative. This, after they voluntarily gave so much back to the company. From what I've seen here, your company was doing nothing more than manipulating its workers, to reduce its immediate costs, while all the time knowing that it intended to furlough. And just by the way, UPS is not the only company that acts in a deceitful manner. Last year, FedEx instituted a contract clause called 4.A.2.b, which caused our pilots to give up perhaps over 20% of their expected pay. As should have been anticipated, the company lost tons of goodwill, and it will take years for some, while others will never forget what the company did. And that was just loss of some pay. In your case, guys have LOST THEIR JOBS.
As well, you seem to think that it's because of IPA that the working environment there at UPS "sucks." My question to you is: are you serious? The work environment at UPS has sucked since way back when, and since you say you worked there, I can assume that you actually know that. However, since, you say, you were a manager, I can only assume that the working conditions for your workers is quite different from your managers. Are your hub workers still not allowed to take a bathroom break during their shift? Are your workers still ignored when they come to management with a good idea? No, UPS has never been a company whose employees say good things about, with the single exception of "the pay is really good." That's a tremendous plus, however, beyond pay, there's not much to rave about.
There's so many other discrepancies in your posts that one could write a book about them, however I've more important things to do right now, like clean out the lint filter on my dryer.
JJ
You have certainly got to be kidding with your above-mentioned comments. It is not a unions job to promote the company for which its members work. It's their job to represent its members in establishing work rules, benefits, etc, and to intercede on behalf of their members when disagreements arise between the company and its workers.
You seem to have a misconception of what employees' responsibilities are. As well, you seem to not understand that anything an employee does, above and beyond his or her job description, is usually done because the company has earned some degree of goodwill, and the employee, feeling good about the company, decides to perform tasks, outside of their job description. You say you want employees to promote the company? How can you expect this when your company treats its employees like sh!t. No, UPS has never been known as an employee oriented company, instead, it's known, throughout the world as a company that only values the work effort of its employees, while continuing to monitor their every work moment. Why else, as an example, would your air division, with about 2800 pilots, need a staff of over 200 managers?
While I can almost understand your devotion to UPS, I don't understand why you can't grasp the concept of cause and effect. When things were going well for UPS, your pilots who posted here, for the most part, had really nothing but good things to say about their company. However, now that UPS has decided to furlough, you don't seem to understand why your pilots have turned so negative. This, after they voluntarily gave so much back to the company. From what I've seen here, your company was doing nothing more than manipulating its workers, to reduce its immediate costs, while all the time knowing that it intended to furlough. And just by the way, UPS is not the only company that acts in a deceitful manner. Last year, FedEx instituted a contract clause called 4.A.2.b, which caused our pilots to give up perhaps over 20% of their expected pay. As should have been anticipated, the company lost tons of goodwill, and it will take years for some, while others will never forget what the company did. And that was just loss of some pay. In your case, guys have LOST THEIR JOBS.
As well, you seem to think that it's because of IPA that the working environment there at UPS "sucks." My question to you is: are you serious? The work environment at UPS has sucked since way back when, and since you say you worked there, I can assume that you actually know that. However, since, you say, you were a manager, I can only assume that the working conditions for your workers is quite different from your managers. Are your hub workers still not allowed to take a bathroom break during their shift? Are your workers still ignored when they come to management with a good idea? No, UPS has never been a company whose employees say good things about, with the single exception of "the pay is really good." That's a tremendous plus, however, beyond pay, there's not much to rave about.
There's so many other discrepancies in your posts that one could write a book about them, however I've more important things to do right now, like clean out the lint filter on my dryer.
JJ
07-08-2010, 06:56 AM
#127
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Posts: 397
Originally Posted by 757upspilot
IPA pilots have continuously tried to get additional work for the company.
See Salty's comments, he has worked tirelessly to obtain additional military work for UPS which they have either not gone after or deferred to another airline.
The ANC pilots where at the top in finding new customers for the company.
Over the years I have attempted to bring customers in and was blown off by some package car mentality manager. Only to watch as FDX moved in and grabbed the business.
The IPA tried more than once to bring in entire overseas route authorities and they where ignored by the company, UPS had the opportunity to buy the NWA pacific freight system in the middle 90's and blew it off, they could have had route authorities and aircraft for a song compared to what it cost them to build the system.
The work environment sucks because UPS has worked every day to grind the pilots into submission, it drives them crazy that it hasn't worked.
It was made evident long ago that since we are not "partners" that they don't want to hear from us.
See Salty's comments, he has worked tirelessly to obtain additional military work for UPS which they have either not gone after or deferred to another airline.
The ANC pilots where at the top in finding new customers for the company.
Over the years I have attempted to bring customers in and was blown off by some package car mentality manager. Only to watch as FDX moved in and grabbed the business.
The IPA tried more than once to bring in entire overseas route authorities and they where ignored by the company, UPS had the opportunity to buy the NWA pacific freight system in the middle 90's and blew it off, they could have had route authorities and aircraft for a song compared to what it cost them to build the system.
The work environment sucks because UPS has worked every day to grind the pilots into submission, it drives them crazy that it hasn't worked.
It was made evident long ago that since we are not "partners" that they don't want to hear from us.
Any examples of who the customers were and what they shipped that the package care mentality manager blew off? I have said UPS isn't perfect in some cases far from it. If more people took ownership like you said you have it would be different. How many people do you run across in life that they just want to punch in, punch out get there paycheck and go home. They don't want to be bothered with anything else. I can't wait to here that answer
So what are the details of the IPA bringing in Routes? I just want to know that "Hey we heard the NWA Pac Routes were for sale real cheap" wasn't the case. I can't find a thing in regards to NWA losing Pac routes or selling routes. I can't find a thing about another airling buying NWA Routes. I think we all agree that UPS is cheap. If they had a chance to build the network that fast and that cheap you know they would if it was posssible.
I'm pro union. Why doesn't the IPA release things like this then? Show proof that UPS had to purchase Routes. Show proof that UPS didn't want to all in a press release. Show UPS/IPA Pilots who added jobs in Alaska on the the news. You never see that though. Instead you see a half truth press releases with plenty of spin. If the IPA showed that you would get a lot more support when it hit the fan. Instead the IPA flys banners over management outings. UPS has been and will continue to be a very hard company to work for. In return you get a great wage and beni's with retirement. Why would one want to make it worse. Imagine if the ANC guys were seen supporting the company in the news before all this? I'm still trying to find a police report or something in regards to the manager breaking into the pilots room. Can't find a thing except on here.
07-08-2010, 07:25 AM
#128
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Posts: 397
Originally Posted by Jetjok
Soyathink,
You have certainly got to be kidding with your above-mentioned comments. It is not a unions job to promote the company for which its members work. It's their job to represent its members in establishing work rules, benefits, etc, and to intercede on behalf of their members when disagreements arise between the company and its workers.
Then why don't you see press releases of IPA jobs coming to Alaska? Just saying Hostile actions get hostile results. Thats both sides.
You seem to have a misconception of what employees' responsibilities are. As well, you seem to not understand that anything an employee does, above and beyond his or her job description, is usually done because the company has earned some degree of goodwill, and the employee, feeling good about the company, decides to perform tasks, outside of their job description. You say you want employees to promote the company? How can you expect this when your company treats its employees like sh!t. No, UPS has never been known as an employee oriented company, instead, it's known, throughout the world as a company that only values the work effort of its employees, while continuing to monitor their every work moment. Why else, as an example, would your air division, with about 2800 pilots, need a staff of over 200 managers?
I can say you have the same mentality regarding employers. Didn't you use to be UPS before FDX? I might be wrong. The employer has no responsibilty to the employee except a paycheck. I won't go do the FDX IC road here. If there is no work then layoffs happen. In your paragraph above all one would have to do is change company or UPS to employee, and Employee to company or UPS. It goes both ways.
While I can almost understand your devotion to UPS, I don't understand why you can't grasp the concept of cause and effect. When things were going well for UPS, your pilots who posted here, for the most part, had really nothing but good things to say about their company. However, now that UPS has decided to furlough, you don't seem to understand why your pilots have turned so negative. This, after they voluntarily gave so much back to the company. From what I've seen here, your company was doing nothing more than manipulating its workers, to reduce its immediate costs, while all the time knowing that it intended to furlough. And just by the way, UPS is not the only company that acts in a deceitful manner. Last year, FedEx instituted a contract clause called 4.A.2.b, which caused our pilots to give up perhaps over 20% of their expected pay. As should have been anticipated, the company lost tons of goodwill, and it will take years for some, while others will never forget what the company did. And that was just loss of some pay. In your case, guys have LOST THEIR JOBS.
I do understand cause and effect. I understand business too. I understand the loss of a job. I also understand that the entire thing goes both ways. A **** poor attitude + a **** poor attitude = a **** poor attitude. Imagine if it was the other way around?.
As well, you seem to think that it's because of IPA that the working environment there at UPS "sucks." My question to you is: are you serious? The work environment at UPS has sucked since way back when, and since you say you worked there, I can assume that you actually know that. However, since, you say, you were a manager, I can only assume that the working conditions for your workers is quite different from your managers. Are your hub workers still not allowed to take a bathroom break during their shift? Are your workers still ignored when they come to management with a good idea? No, UPS has never been a company whose employees say good things about, with the single exception of "the pay is really good." That's a tremendous plus, however, beyond pay, there's not much to rave about.
I never said I worked at UPS
I see The IPA press releases bashing UPS but don't see the UPS press releases bashing the IPA. Never said it was the IPA's fault in the entire situation. Never said UPS has no blame in the situation. I'm saying that blame is shared and giving proof not Crew Bus rumour or I flew with this guy that said. I do know first hand how difficult the work environment is. My dad has been shot at. Seen plenty of trucks shot up. I saw two suicides of people I've known there. Imagine being a FQS. You are getting heat from above that you need to do more then you are getting heat from below that you don't do enough. A big Turd sandwich I wouldn't want that pressure. You as an employee are always going to be pushed for more no matter where you are. In sports if you don't continue to do better every season your cut. My case I blew out a knee in college. I wasn't coddled. They just said next. It's like that everywhere. Just at UPS is worse because the union and the company are always positioning themselves to get one up on the other in negotiations. I honestly was surprised UPS was working with the IPA to try and prevent furloughs. Typically in UPS that would have never happened. Have you ever had to let somebody go? It is an terrible experience.
There's so many other discrepancies in your posts that one could write a book about them, however I've more important things to do right now, like clean out the lint filter on my dryer.
Is there really? Care to disprove other than what you've heard on your fancy purple crew bus? If you had more importants thing like pick the lint out of your belly button then why did you even reply.
JJ
You have certainly got to be kidding with your above-mentioned comments. It is not a unions job to promote the company for which its members work. It's their job to represent its members in establishing work rules, benefits, etc, and to intercede on behalf of their members when disagreements arise between the company and its workers.
Then why don't you see press releases of IPA jobs coming to Alaska? Just saying Hostile actions get hostile results. Thats both sides.
You seem to have a misconception of what employees' responsibilities are. As well, you seem to not understand that anything an employee does, above and beyond his or her job description, is usually done because the company has earned some degree of goodwill, and the employee, feeling good about the company, decides to perform tasks, outside of their job description. You say you want employees to promote the company? How can you expect this when your company treats its employees like sh!t. No, UPS has never been known as an employee oriented company, instead, it's known, throughout the world as a company that only values the work effort of its employees, while continuing to monitor their every work moment. Why else, as an example, would your air division, with about 2800 pilots, need a staff of over 200 managers?
I can say you have the same mentality regarding employers. Didn't you use to be UPS before FDX? I might be wrong. The employer has no responsibilty to the employee except a paycheck. I won't go do the FDX IC road here. If there is no work then layoffs happen. In your paragraph above all one would have to do is change company or UPS to employee, and Employee to company or UPS. It goes both ways.
While I can almost understand your devotion to UPS, I don't understand why you can't grasp the concept of cause and effect. When things were going well for UPS, your pilots who posted here, for the most part, had really nothing but good things to say about their company. However, now that UPS has decided to furlough, you don't seem to understand why your pilots have turned so negative. This, after they voluntarily gave so much back to the company. From what I've seen here, your company was doing nothing more than manipulating its workers, to reduce its immediate costs, while all the time knowing that it intended to furlough. And just by the way, UPS is not the only company that acts in a deceitful manner. Last year, FedEx instituted a contract clause called 4.A.2.b, which caused our pilots to give up perhaps over 20% of their expected pay. As should have been anticipated, the company lost tons of goodwill, and it will take years for some, while others will never forget what the company did. And that was just loss of some pay. In your case, guys have LOST THEIR JOBS.
I do understand cause and effect. I understand business too. I understand the loss of a job. I also understand that the entire thing goes both ways. A **** poor attitude + a **** poor attitude = a **** poor attitude. Imagine if it was the other way around?.
As well, you seem to think that it's because of IPA that the working environment there at UPS "sucks." My question to you is: are you serious? The work environment at UPS has sucked since way back when, and since you say you worked there, I can assume that you actually know that. However, since, you say, you were a manager, I can only assume that the working conditions for your workers is quite different from your managers. Are your hub workers still not allowed to take a bathroom break during their shift? Are your workers still ignored when they come to management with a good idea? No, UPS has never been a company whose employees say good things about, with the single exception of "the pay is really good." That's a tremendous plus, however, beyond pay, there's not much to rave about.
I never said I worked at UPS
I see The IPA press releases bashing UPS but don't see the UPS press releases bashing the IPA. Never said it was the IPA's fault in the entire situation. Never said UPS has no blame in the situation. I'm saying that blame is shared and giving proof not Crew Bus rumour or I flew with this guy that said. I do know first hand how difficult the work environment is. My dad has been shot at. Seen plenty of trucks shot up. I saw two suicides of people I've known there. Imagine being a FQS. You are getting heat from above that you need to do more then you are getting heat from below that you don't do enough. A big Turd sandwich I wouldn't want that pressure. You as an employee are always going to be pushed for more no matter where you are. In sports if you don't continue to do better every season your cut. My case I blew out a knee in college. I wasn't coddled. They just said next. It's like that everywhere. Just at UPS is worse because the union and the company are always positioning themselves to get one up on the other in negotiations. I honestly was surprised UPS was working with the IPA to try and prevent furloughs. Typically in UPS that would have never happened. Have you ever had to let somebody go? It is an terrible experience.There's so many other discrepancies in your posts that one could write a book about them, however I've more important things to do right now, like clean out the lint filter on my dryer.
Is there really? Care to disprove other than what you've heard on your fancy purple crew bus? If you had more importants thing like pick the lint out of your belly button then why did you even reply
.JJ
Last edited by Soyathink; 07-08-2010 at 07:35 AM.
07-08-2010, 07:36 AM
#129
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Posts: 837
Originally Posted by Soyathink
IPA Press Releases
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
Thats working with the company. On the outside looking in no wonder the work environment sucks.
