Airline Pilot Central Forums - MEF and JA2 at UPS

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- Cargo (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/)

- - MEF and JA2 at UPS (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/52198-mef-ja2-ups.html)

I think UPS added another 10 furgloughee's to the 170 for this year. I believe the actual number is 177 for 2010, plus 3 resignations add up to 180.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnStep (Post 846924)

I think UPS added another 10 furgloughee's to the 170 for this year. I believe the actual number is 177 for 2010, plus 3 resignations add up to 180.

Did 3 of the bottom 180 resign?

Actually, one resigned and two were let go! They were not in ANC when called out on reserve.

Unless you try to look for a job while on furlough from UPS, you have no idea what it is like. It is literally a "Brown Stain".

JUP,

Glad to see someone else understands the plight of the bottom 300.

Here is an excerpt of a posting I made May 13, 2009:

"There actually are no jobs to go to, especially with UPS on your resume, who is going to hire you ?"

Understandably, 14 months ago the hiring market was fairly bleak and has turned around. However, for the same reason UPS hired very few furloughed airline pilots in the late 90's and early 2000's , many will shy away from hiring furloughed UPS pilots.

Brown Stain, indeed.

But remember, we have been promised that when we are recalled by peak, it will be a better place to work. Sorry, did I get any on your shoes ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FliFast (Post 847072)

JUP,

Glad to see someone else understands the plight of the bottom 300.

Here is an excerpt of a posting I made May 13, 2009:

"There actually are no jobs to go to, especially with UPS on your resume, who is going to hire you ?"

Understandably, 14 months ago the hiring market was fairly bleak and has turned around. However, for the same reason UPS hired very few furloughed airline pilots in the late 90's and early 2000's , many will shy away from hiring furloughed UPS pilots.

Brown Stain, indeed.

But remember, we have been promised that when we are recalled by peak, it will be a better place to work. Sorry, did I get any on your shoes ?

Serious question, but who made that promise? Are you referring to the IPA pres? His crystal ball seems to be tuning a different frequency than UPS'. Peak is just over 120 days away. This place is in dire straits right now. I never thought I'd feel this way, but I really regret encouraging friends to come here in the past. This profession is in bad shape.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckydawg (Post 846025)

That is unsafe and probably illegal at every other airline except UPS. :mad:
They get 1 landing as additional training. No Cat III's, no go-arounds, no V1 cuts from the right seat, nothing. The FAA is not an agency that should share the same bed as a corporation.

I think someone said Continental does it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night_Hawk (Post 846153)

I am not arguing the merits of having a strike fund/ disability fund or what ever name you want to call it.

I do not feel it is wrong for a pilot to enjoy his earnings after receiving them for a few years. I do not consider it living beyond his means. Typically, I would feel someone is safe as a Captain after holding the position for a few years at a successful CO. 9/11 being a different animal.

I would doubt, although I do not know, that you save all your raises and keep your life style the same. If you do save, when do you feel it is alright for someone to spend their earnings?

Since I've been at the airlines, my bills have gone DOWN, not UP. My lifestyle has gotten better. Why? Because I pay my bills OFF before I treat myself to something else. I don't accumulate more debt with raises.

IMO, the answer to your question is this.....when you do not need OT/JA to cover your bills. That's just plain pathetic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by condor (Post 846967)

Actually, one resigned and two were let go! They were not in ANC when called out on reserve.

I know that one of the two that were let go is back, not sure about the other one....

Quote:

Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld (Post 847313)

This profession is in bad shape.

Welcome to the airlines Lil 'J. Better get the wife back to work soon.