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Old 09-07-2010 | 08:34 AM
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not to fan the flames here.....

UPS allow mechanics to ride as jumpseaters?
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Old 09-07-2010 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Scheduling101
It's not a RIGHT is a... PRIVILEGE.
Actually...

In our collective bargaining agreement, Article 5. S(1) states we are given the contractually guaranteed "right" to jumpseat for personal use.

Put into perspective, any item in our contract given to us for our benefit:
Crew meals, jumpseats, hotels near civilization, etc. were a product of negotiation not privilege.

In other words, we gave up something for these "quality of life" benefits. I doubt seriously UPS Labor came to the negotiating table and offered these free of charge. Unless someone can document otherwise, these so-called privleges were given Quid pro quo (something for something).

IMHO, the ability to jumpseat is a contractual right because the company would be in violation (breech) of contract to remove its' use.

On the other hand, if the company extends us a privlege and removes it (62" wide screen TV in the mail room), we have no recourse.

I'll leave it at that.

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Old 09-07-2010 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyer2000
not to fan the flames here.....

UPS allow mechanics to ride as jumpseaters?
Yes, for both personal and busness purposes.
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Old 09-07-2010 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FliFast
Actually...

In our collective bargaining agreement, Article 5. S(1) states we are given the contractually guaranteed "right" to jumpseat for personal use.

Put into perspective, any item in our contract given to us for our benefit:
Crew meals, jumpseats, hotels near civilization, etc. were a product of negotiation not privilege.

In other words, we gave up something for these "quality of life" benefits. I doubt seriously UPS Labor came to the negotiating table and offered these free of charge. Unless someone can document otherwise, these so-called privleges were given Quid pro quo (something for something).

IMHO, the ability to jumpseat is a contractual right because the company would be in violation (breech) of contract to remove its' use.

On the other hand, if the company extends us a privlege and removes it (62" wide screen TV in the mail room), we have no recourse.

I'll leave it at that.

FF
I think that a better way to look at it would be that you contractually have the right to request the jumpseat, and it is by privilege that the captain allows you to ride.
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Old 09-07-2010 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
I think that a better way to look at it would be that you contractually have the right to request the jumpseat, and it is by privilege that the captain allows you to ride.
Exactly what I was thinking...The Captain controls the privilege, not the Company.

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Old 09-07-2010 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Scheduling101
Maybe if you live where you work it wouldn't be a problem getting a jumpseat, because... wait for the other shoe to drop... you would drive your car to work like the rest of the people....

ANC is my THIRD domicile, in just over 3 years at UPS.

Which one do you think that I should have moved to ? All of them ... I'd have 2 houses to sell you then.

And 2 move packages to collect ... what a bargain !

Actually, I did move to the first on my own. It didn't work out so great when I got displaced again and again. So as much as I hate to commute, there really isn't a much better choice ...

Imagine if we all did live in base ? That would have worked out great for UPS when Redoubt blew ash and closed the airport at the second largest crew base in the system. It was pretty convenient having commuters then wasn't it ?

And by the way, I still have to drive a car to work like the rest of the people !


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Old 09-07-2010 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by b2pilot186
Exactly what I was thinking...The Captain controls the privilege, not the Company.

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You are very correct it is the Captain that controls who is on the jumpseat without a doubt! No questions about that.

My point is that if you commute to work then you need to be ready for what happens, bumped or what ever...

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Old 09-07-2010 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Scheduling101
You are very correct it is the Captain that controls who is on the jumpseat without a doubt! No questions about that.
Fine...class dismissed.

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Old 09-07-2010 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
ANC is my THIRD domicile, in just over 3 years at UPS.

Which one do you think that I should have moved to ? All of them ... I'd have 2 houses to sell you then.

And 2 move packages to collect ... what a bargain !

Actually, I did move to the first on my own. It didn't work out so great when I got displaced again and again. So as much as I hate to commute, there really isn't a much better choice ...

Imagine if we all did live in base ? That would have worked out great for UPS when Redoubt blew ash and closed the airport at the second largest crew base in the system. It was pretty convenient having commuters then wasn't it ?

And by the way, I still have to drive a car to work like the rest of the people !

well heck its not like we had everyone knocking on the door to help or receptive to the reschedules... think again... Dont think just because you are a commuter you were willing to work with us... that's a joke! we had guys sitting at home not calling us back and playing games... so really it didnt matter where anyone was it still was a struggle...
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Old 09-07-2010 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Scheduling101
well heck its not like we had everyone knocking on the door to help or receptive to the reschedules... think again... Dont think just because you are a commuter you were willing to work with us... that's a joke! we had guys sitting at home not calling us back and playing games... so really it didnt matter where anyone was it still was a struggle...
I believe his point was in response to your assertion that we should all just live in domicile so we don't have to commute. Doesn't seem quite so clear now does it? He's not the only junior guy that's had to play the commuting game either. Think about it and reference your Merriam-Webster for the definition of 'obtuse'...

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