UPS Flight 6 Memorial
09-03-2010, 02:53 PM
#53
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Here is what a company that cares about safety does.
FedEx Express installing new fire suppression system in 74 planes - Memphis Business Journal
FedEx Express installing new fire suppression system in 74 planes - Memphis Business Journal
09-03-2010, 02:55 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by Whacker77
Any early reports as to what the crew communicated to the tower? A divert away from the main airport certainly suggested a fast acting problem.
"I witnessed the whole thing on the radio while landing into AUH.
After attempting a straight in approach for 12L and getting there high and fast they were suggested to try OMSJ on hdg 090 or make a 360°.
I am afraid they lost spacial orientation while trying to join a RH downwidn for 12L.
They seemed to be unable to see any flight instrument or radio in the cockpit and they continously asked for their altitude, speed, heading to ATC through the realy of other airplanes cause they could not see
their own radio panel to swith to UAE Control or Dubai Tower."
After attempting a straight in approach for 12L and getting there high and fast they were suggested to try OMSJ on hdg 090 or make a 360°.
I am afraid they lost spacial orientation while trying to join a RH downwidn for 12L.
They seemed to be unable to see any flight instrument or radio in the cockpit and they continously asked for their altitude, speed, heading to ATC through the realy of other airplanes cause they could not see
their own radio panel to swith to UAE Control or Dubai Tower."
09-03-2010, 03:01 PM
#55
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God rest our brothers/sisters. Whomever it may be.
While no facts are known by any of us at this point, I have to say this since I just went through long term.
Training needs to change at UPS. We did the "cargo fire" dance and okay, everything is fine. I flew hazmat in a former life versus what UPS carries. I ask captains (at UPS), when we're over water, what they would do if we had a fire. 99/100 would say follow the checklist and stay high and hope the fire goes out. My point to them was, if we are on fire, it is probably something we don't know about. No one would ditch under power.
It is not the case here but still applies. During his training/checkride on the -400 at Evergreen, my friend said the fed started a stopwatch when he introduced the cargo fire and told them they have 20 minutes to land or they fail. Why 20 minutes? Historically, that is when the gig is up. I only say this because of what I read in one of the news reports
>The airplane impacted ground about 20 minutes after declaring emergency.<
While no facts are known by any of us at this point, I have to say this since I just went through long term.
Training needs to change at UPS. We did the "cargo fire" dance and okay, everything is fine. I flew hazmat in a former life versus what UPS carries. I ask captains (at UPS), when we're over water, what they would do if we had a fire. 99/100 would say follow the checklist and stay high and hope the fire goes out. My point to them was, if we are on fire, it is probably something we don't know about. No one would ditch under power.
It is not the case here but still applies. During his training/checkride on the -400 at Evergreen, my friend said the fed started a stopwatch when he introduced the cargo fire and told them they have 20 minutes to land or they fail. Why 20 minutes? Historically, that is when the gig is up. I only say this because of what I read in one of the news reports
>The airplane impacted ground about 20 minutes after declaring emergency.<
09-03-2010, 03:05 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by Naven
Here is what a company that cares about safety does.
FedEx Express installing new fire suppression system in 74 planes - Memphis Business Journal
FedEx Express installing new fire suppression system in 74 planes - Memphis Business Journal
09-03-2010, 04:11 PM
#57
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Here's to our fallen brothers. It could have been any of us in their place. They showed up for duty today like we all do, professionally and eagerly. This is absolutely devastating to all of us.
Raising a glass, peace.
J
Raising a glass, peace.
J
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