FedEx TA reached
01-30-2011, 06:38 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by Huck
I'm with Kronan.
I expected a 4 year negotiation process.
Think about the time value of money.....
I expected a 4 year negotiation process.
Think about the time value of money.....
01-30-2011, 07:07 PM
#133
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How about 4 or 5 years of those 3% increases?
With this deal and the commitment to only 2 years of roughly inflation adjusted wage increases, the company is practically telling you that they are going to tell you to pound sand after they get what they want.
With this deal and the commitment to only 2 years of roughly inflation adjusted wage increases, the company is practically telling you that they are going to tell you to pound sand after they get what they want.
01-30-2011, 07:08 PM
#134
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Originally Posted by Jaxman187
I will reserve final judgment, but based upon what I have heard I am not encouraged. 3% in return for all the bullets(ULR and FDA's) out of our gun seems mighty cheap.
It makes since not to address scheduling with this deal with NPRM in the offing but why only a potentially 2 yr deal. Why not 4-5 yr's largely at current book with 3-5% increases per year?
Whatever comes out the NPRM is a YP or "You Problem" for the company. It is the cost of doing business and operating large airframes in a complex aviation environment. There are always unknowns and we should not take it upon ourselves to indemnify Fedex against a potential regulatory bad break by waiting for the NPRM to negotiate a decent contract. This is no different than the lumps we took when the company suddenly decided to go 757 and 777 after contract signing. Like I said, there are always going to be unknowns. No matter what comes out of the NPRM, I have no plans on taking any kind of pay cut and I don't care how many pilots Fedex has to hire.
I also see the FDA's as a YP. If the company wants to fill them, then they simply need to make them attractive enough for the F/O's to bid these FDA's.
One final note. Consider how much contractual value and jobs are we are potentially giving away if the FDA improvements are just barely satisfactory but the company is able to move 1/3 to 1/2 of MD11 operations to HKG.
It makes since not to address scheduling with this deal with NPRM in the offing but why only a potentially 2 yr deal. Why not 4-5 yr's largely at current book with 3-5% increases per year?
Whatever comes out the NPRM is a YP or "You Problem" for the company. It is the cost of doing business and operating large airframes in a complex aviation environment. There are always unknowns and we should not take it upon ourselves to indemnify Fedex against a potential regulatory bad break by waiting for the NPRM to negotiate a decent contract. This is no different than the lumps we took when the company suddenly decided to go 757 and 777 after contract signing. Like I said, there are always going to be unknowns. No matter what comes out of the NPRM, I have no plans on taking any kind of pay cut and I don't care how many pilots Fedex has to hire.
I also see the FDA's as a YP. If the company wants to fill them, then they simply need to make them attractive enough for the F/O's to bid these FDA's.
One final note. Consider how much contractual value and jobs are we are potentially giving away if the FDA improvements are just barely satisfactory but the company is able to move 1/3 to 1/2 of MD11 operations to HKG.
Thanks for any info.
01-30-2011, 07:21 PM
#135
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You are absolutely right 2cylinderdriver about ULR rules. I was a bit ahead of myself. I need to wait to see the TA. I just can't imagine that when the company is getting their needs addressed in this TA that ULR would be left out.
01-30-2011, 07:50 PM
#136
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Originally Posted by ptarmigan
Just going by the arbitrator's reasoning, it appears that was the thought. While our pay is certainly not completely following the Decision 83 road map, they are a hybrid with the widebody/narrowbody pay.
I've never really found anyone who has a solid explanation for how exactly our rates came about. There are a lot of things don't make sense. There doesn't seem to be a common theme for how the rates jump between the seats/aircraft or how the rates jump from one year to the next. It seems like we just add X% payraise to whatever the rates were, whether they originally made sense or not. Using a formula based on weight from another airline applied to our current payrates, 15 year 777 Capt and FO rates would be $398.60 and $305.51 respectively. Using the straight MTOW difference/percentage alone and you get $299.18 and $211.62. All of that was for the 777F not the much heavier A380, and the book rates in our contract for the 380 aren't even close. It pretty much looks like a straight 7% tacked onto the current widebody rates and that seems more like the amount of change Fred had in his pocket that day than any reasonably thought out proposal.
01-30-2011, 09:55 PM
#137
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I don't know, but CPI numbers don't point to 3% inflation now or over the last couple years, for sure. Maybe coming soon...Also, if we vote no, the NC gets booted, right? Process would start from square one? MEC that recommended we vote on it maybe the same?
01-31-2011, 05:05 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by Jaxman187
How about 4 or 5 years of those 3% increases?
I figure the company just accepts the idea of of a 3%/year pay raise. I say let's negotiate something that will motivate them to conclude negotiations (in a timely manner) on the rest of the CBA. How about 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%, 7% until we have a completely negotiated contract!*?
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