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Old 09-09-2006, 08:50 PM   #1  
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Default Why do FedEx pilots fly overtime at straight pay?

I've been here about 10 years now and for the life of me, I can not understand. A few guys are whinning about the TA. Well hell, we fly 8-10 percent of ALL our flying as carryover. We must be either really happy with the status quo or really stupid. That averages 2 days a month for all of us. We want to work two more days a month for no overtime.
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I'm not speaking specifically about FedEx...

I can't think of an example where any airline ever paid an overtime bonus (125 or 150%) for work voluntarily picked up.

You have to be careful about what you wish for....

Unless a strict and enforceable staffing model were coupled with an overtime bonus, companies would love to pay a bonus for uncovered trips, and pilots would be more than willing to pick up the work! The bean counters know EXACTLY where the break even point of overtime vs. hiring is located. At UPS we attempted to establish the concept of "overtime" in our mid-term TA that was turned down over five years ago. In that case any portion of a line built >75 hours would be paid at 125%, a sort of "soft cap."

In the TA we just approved, we are finally getting retirement benefits PAID on any overtime work we pick up or are JA'd (drafted) for on a day off.That used to be a huge cost savings for the company: pay a guy at a straight rate with no additional benefits in lieu of hiring a new body.

What IS odd is that at UPS if your awarded bid line is worth 84 hours, you still can't legally dump it back down to 75 hours, so we are in effect still working "overtime" at the straight rate.

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Old 09-10-2006, 02:33 PM   #3  
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we fly 8-10 percent of ALL our flying as carryover. We must be either really happy with the status quo or really stupid. That averages 2 days a month for all of us. We want to work two more days a month for no overtime.
I don't fly carryover very often, when I do it's in order to conflict a trip in the next month so that I fly fewer hours than my BLG in the following month. I'm not quite following you, how exactly is that stupid?
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I've been here about 10 years now and for the life of me, I can not understand. A few guys are whinning about the TA. Well hell, we fly 8-10 percent of ALL our flying as carryover. We must be either really happy with the status quo or really stupid. That averages 2 days a month for all of us. We want to work two more days a month for no overtime.
Control, DFT/VLT is not always there, not what you would prefer to fly, trying to make the "high five" high. do I want to clean the garage out, cut the grass, trim the trees, or spend the time flying amd hire someone to do your chores, spend the extra on a new set of clubs.
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. do I want to clean the garage out, cut the grass, trim the trees, or spend the time flying amd hire someone to do your chores, spend the extra on a new set of clubs.
I personally would prefer No carry over and prefer the Time off........to Live the dream so to speak. I want to live to see retirement.
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I personally would prefer No carry over and prefer the Time off.........
Some trips are going to have to be C/O, you can't expect everyone to "restart" at the beginning of the month.
I think the big issue at FedEx (at least on the old contract, don't know if its been fixed) is the fact that VTO's built on a schedule with carryover, the carryover isn't figured when the line is built until you hit the min days off (assuming it wasn't waived). I believe the same for RSV who bid (or are assigned) lines with C/O R days and thier current schedule doesn't conflict, they too get "screwed" to fly high time at straight time and are also limited to
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. I want to live to see retirement.
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I don't fly carryover very often, when I do it's in order to conflict a trip in the next month so that I fly fewer hours than my BLG in the following month. I'm not quite following you, how exactly is that stupid?
What I am talking about is habitually increasing your BLG by protecting carryover. Period. I'm not knocking using it as scheduling tool. And, I understand the ocasional trip for new clubs(I did it) or for your wife's new rack(the best reason I ever heard). But we fly an AVERAGE of 2 days a month extra every month. If guys wouldn't protect carryover and just have a little patience, they could pick it up as advance volunteer at 150%.

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[I]Why do FedEx pilots fly overtime at straight pay? /I]

Why do dogs chase their own tails? Must be because they think it feels good. That is, until their tails get bitten!!! I would think that all the whouring these guys do, will someday catch up with them and bite them in the arse. Of course, the rest of us have to suffer in the meantime.
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..................just have a little patience, they could pick it up as advance volunteer at 150%.
Not true. Advance volunteer is a maybe proposition. If the Co. can fill trips with other (straight time) M/U's than it will; at least you get some notice (I think a week) if you will get the trip. All premium time is for "worst case" (from the Co. point of view ) trip filing, its hit or miss to get. On the other hand, anyone can pick up time via C/O and not conflicting during the next month's bid.
The best way would be the way Jet Blue does it, pay over time after a certain hour limit is reached. Than everyone, senior, junior, commuter, and non commuter, have equal access to the "goodies".
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or for your wife's new rack(the best reason I ever heard).
You're wife has antlers? You get them for her just prior to hunting season?
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