The chances of that are zero

 

That's going to take a looooong time to accomplish. Guys on the property now are safe and some have 20-25 years to retirement. RLA lets the contract continue on forever.

The automaker's would like to be there and STILL haven't found away after declaring BK.


By "safe" I mean they will not be able to contract out US origin/bound freight. I know that's debatable but the threat of a work stoppage will prevent it IMHO.

They're pushing it with the furlough. I think they're searching for a limit on how far they can go.

 

About zero.

Maybe he has just learned that "his edge" simply didn't work? Check out Lloyd Hill's legacy at the APA. Once elected president of the APA, he threatened American's president with the claim "I'll see you in the board room, I'll see you in the court room and I'll see you on the picket line". He thought he was Muhammad Ali and he wanted blood. The only blood he saw was his own after his own board of directors voted to censor him. Three years later he wisely chose not to seek re-election after he accomplished nothing. Sound familiar? Hopefully this membership has learned a lesson and will think past the tough talk rhetoric next election season..........or not.

 

Smart and Tough, still looking for smart and forward to the next election.

 

The problem is "smart and forward thinking" doesn't get elected. Hopefully next time will be different.

 

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...od-letter.html

Lloyd Hill's legacy is frightening. Horrible for APA that such "spectacular failure" and damage was wrought.


"Angry rhetoric, publicity stunts and communications such as the "blood money" letter to AMR CEO Arpey - which was authored by all three National Officers - set the tone for the current administration as out-of-touch extremists. Along with the equally ill-advised "British Airways/Iberia" letters, these documents contributed to ultimately undermine APA with the arbitrator in charge of the 7,300 Cockpit Crewmember Floor arbitration. Under this APA administration, the defeat to scope was a spectacular failure for APA. As a result of this arbitration decision, AMR is now able to furlough more than 1,500 additional pilots at AA before Scope Cockpit Crewmember Floor provisions in our CBA [collective bargaining agreement] trigger any negative ramifications at Eagle. This is a tremendous blow to the protections in our scope clause. Equally damaging is the fact that when the NMB considers its options, particularly in a situation where a major disruption to commerce is possible, factors such as the irresponsible militancy and the demands of a union's leadership are important considerations in their decision-making process.

...Unfortunately, the pattern of bad judgment has created an environment where cooperation between AMR and APA is nearly non-existent - even in areas of mutual benefit."

 

That's the thing about history, you either learn from it or are condemned to repeat it.

 

Flying the line since the buffoonery, I must say, the feeling I am getting is that BT days are numbered. Its a pretty big mistake, but don't go on the bar and grill and say that cause you might be treated like you got the plague.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to throw BT under the bus. After all, once the first IPA member was furloughed while FQS' were flying the line, it created a situation where something had to be done. It should be noted that not one FQS was furloughed. I do remember the airline VP telling the IPA EB that he hoped they would "come talk to us" before we attempted to organize the FQS. To me, this signaled the opportunity to negotiate a settlement on the issue. Personally I believe we should have pursued that option. There was an opportunity for the IPA to protect our flying while letting UPS save face and preserve their business model. I understand that this may be a convenient point of view since the organizing attempts have failed but those that know me will verify that I have been saying this for years. My concern was that we would be asking the government to rule against 22 years of past practice in addition to the fact that the contract is (and has been) full of reference to FQS's flying the line. That fact coupled with our own history of arguing that FQS were management and not union members created an uphill battle that was destined to fail at the beginning. There is a reason the two previous IPA presidents chose against taking this path. In any case, it's water under the bridge now as our leverage to negotiate anything on this issue is gone. We made our bed and now we have to live with it.

On another note, the membership has indicated on more than one occasion that they do not want a "one man show". Why then was there only one person in charge of the cards? Is there that much distrust among the EB members? We have a multiple member EB for a reason. I hope that those members talents, expertise and point of view are utilized in the future. After all, that is why they were elected.

I give BT credit, he admitted his mistake, apologized for it and I truly believe he has learned from it. The question is can the membership and the company get past it and move on?

 

You know what? Screw anyone that doesn't like what you have to say and gives you grief about it. If I felt that strongly about something (ie. BT resigning or whatever), I would post it on the B&G and not give a crap if BT and TK or whoever doesn't like it.