ClutchCargo

Do you drink before you post? If so what? Judging by the above it must be pretty good. I'd like to try some...

GreaseA6

Mach, I hope you went to the road show but if not I will relay a couple of comments by the NC Chair:
1. Not just industry leading, but the best contract in the history of the industry!
2. They wanted more in the B fund but in reality we are the ONLY Major ALPA company with an A fund left. (AA is not ALPA)
3. Our retirement is the best in the world and second place is too far away to be seen.

Pretty powerful comments IMHO.

fly2ski

Cheers to you Grease, I was there too unlike most of the "informed" vote it down now crew. Bogey was 750M walked away with 1B. Loopholes fix in previous contract.

Looks much better and going in the right direction for us that will see 3 or 4 more contracts during our time with FDX

MX727

There was a ton of information given out.

MaddogCaptain

I have to comment on the agency shop exemption. I have been a union member since 1978 and have paid dues and all assessments all that time and it just galls the living **** out of me that the cheap freeloaders that have been riding on our coattails all these years are going to be able to continue to do so. (This is very, very personal for me because of one individual who I got interviewed back at Tigers. Very personal!!) It gives me a knot in my stomach. But when you evaluate a contract you have to put yourself in a "business decision" mode. I will not allow this one issue (or that one cheap $%@#) to determine how I will vote. As much as this issue ****es me off, I will make my decision based on what benefits are in there for me and the rest of the pilot group and WHETHER I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER IF IT WERE REJECTED. (Don't mean to shout, just emphasize) I will not allow emotion to be the driver here. It's hard, but you just have to do it.

MX727

I agree. I was elated last Friday when I read section 29. I even started to write a post about how that section made me smile. Before I hit the Post Quick Reply button, I saw the letter about it and realized they got off. I was ****ed but I quickly figured out why it had to be. Not happy and in fact I think I will be less understanding of those pilots' decisions from here on out.

fedupbusdriver

How do you really feel about this guy?

They explain that they can't impose this on guys already on the property, because it would be a change in the terms of their hiring. What I don't understand is the difference in imposing this on the freeloaders, and telling everyone else on the property that they can't quit the union. Not that I want to, but what is the difference? When we were hired we had a choice to belong to the union or not. Now, we have to belong. That is a change in the terms of our employment. (One that I am extremely happy with, but a change). Why can't they do the same to the freeloader? If we can defend in court a law suit from someone who quits the union next year, why can't we defend ourselves agianst the freeloader?

MX727

The way it was explained to me is that Delta's testimony in before the bankruptcy court was that they couldn't fund the expected onslaught of lump sum payouts. The R&I guys may be able to shed more light on this.

BTW, I only mentioned lump sum because someone asked the question of Capt. Chimenti and the above is a what I understood his answer to be.

He mentioned that the last three terminated plans all had a lump sum payout as a common factor, but specifically related Delta's testimony. I'm sure that info came through ALPA national.

trashhauler

Hey Fed, anybody can still quit the union if hey want, but they still have to pay dues.

Busdrivr

"They explain that they can't impose this on guys already on the property, because it would be a change in the terms of their hiring. What I don't understand is the difference in imposing this on the freeloaders, and telling everyone else on the property that they can't quit the union."

The bottom line is that they decided not to carry their weight, and you and I did. This being said, we must move on. Chimenti explained perfectly well at
todays meeting that the cost of pursuing the freeloaders is too high. I would strongly urge anybody who is thinking of voting this TA down to attend one of the Road Show Meetings. Attend a meeting, then vote No, and you'l gain my full respect. If you don't attend a meeting and vote No, you'll just be another single issue clone.