Scope Questions
09-14-2006, 08:53 AM
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Be happy to... I said the Scope Clause was a benefit. I also said I didn't see where it cost much to get it. Since the NC has determined a costing model is the way to negotiate, everything will have an intrinsic value. I'm just looking for it. If they give pay raises to everyone at the company BUT you, they can claim "We gave out over $500M in pay raises!" and be correct. Didn't positively impact your life, though, did it?
A Plan bumps for guys who have been here since 99? Retirement health care bridge - can't imagine that won't change dramatically over the next couple of contracts based on current events. Trip rig change with no equitable increase for other flying?
I analyzed the compensation section. Nice COLA, nothing else. Scope good. Agency shop good. Too bad we couldn't hit the slacker scumbags, but it's a positive regardless. Looks like you came on the post ALL THE WAY BACK in August. Wow. At least I'm not throwing stones at anyone. I'm just READING the contract.
All I hear you sniveling about is "you couldn't do any better and you have no right to expect better..." I actually do have a right to express my support or digust with each section. If you find factual errors in my postings (you did), I actually appreciate being corrected. That's why I'm posting here, brother, just looking for the truth...
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A Plan bumps for guys who have been here since 99? Retirement health care bridge - can't imagine that won't change dramatically over the next couple of contracts based on current events. Trip rig change with no equitable increase for other flying?
I analyzed the compensation section. Nice COLA, nothing else. Scope good. Agency shop good. Too bad we couldn't hit the slacker scumbags, but it's a positive regardless. Looks like you came on the post ALL THE WAY BACK in August. Wow. At least I'm not throwing stones at anyone. I'm just READING the contract.
All I hear you sniveling about is "you couldn't do any better and you have no right to expect better..." I actually do have a right to express my support or digust with each section. If you find factual errors in my postings (you did), I actually appreciate being corrected. That's why I'm posting here, brother, just looking for the truth...
Peace
09-14-2006, 09:22 AM
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[QUOTE=Bitme;60651]If you believe this then you must be smarter than a bunch of high powered Washington lawyers. It was not tied to the parent company, by concensus of a bunch of the above mentioned legal minds.
Pasted from Corporate History link on FedEx.com:
Originally called FDX Corp., FedEx Corp. was formed in January 1998 with the acquisition of Caliber System Inc
In January 2000, FedEx unleashed the power of its global brand. In a move to further integrate the company's portfolio of services, FDX Corp. was renamed FedEx Corporation.
From the Scope section of the current TA:
C. Parent and Affiliates
Should the parent of the Company (FedEx Corp.) or any subsidiary or Affiliate directly or indirectly controlled by the parent of the Company acquire with the intention of retaining and operating a U.S. certificated air carrier or air operation operating aircraft of over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW, then the acquired carrier’s routes and operation of aircraft above the MTOGW of 60,000 lbs. shall be assumed by the pilots on the FedEx Master Seniority List. If the acquired airline is to be sold in the normal course of business, these seniority-merger provisions do not apply. If FedEx Corp., its subsidiaries or Affiliates retain and operate the acquired airline, the assumption of the acquired flying by Federal Express Master Seniority List pilots shall take place as soon as reasonably practical after either the merger of the acquired carrier’s appropriate pilots (those flying aircraft over 60,000 lbs.) into the Federal Express Master Seniority List in the manner set forth in Section 1.D.3., or in the event the pilots from the acquired carrier are not intended to be retained, then upon the final regulatory confirmation and transfer of the operating certificates to Federal Express and/or FedEx Corp.
So what am I missing? The old contract called the "PARENT COMPANY" FDX the new TA calls the "PARENT COMPANY" FedEx Corp. At the time of the last contract, FDX was the name for FedEx Corp. So how was it not tied to the parent company originally?
As far as the rest of SCOPE, it is an improvement. Especially the arbitration rights we now have. So one of the four cornerstones looks decent.
Pasted from Corporate History link on FedEx.com:
Originally called FDX Corp., FedEx Corp. was formed in January 1998 with the acquisition of Caliber System Inc
In January 2000, FedEx unleashed the power of its global brand. In a move to further integrate the company's portfolio of services, FDX Corp. was renamed FedEx Corporation.
From the Scope section of the current TA:
C. Parent and Affiliates
Should the parent of the Company (FedEx Corp.) or any subsidiary or Affiliate directly or indirectly controlled by the parent of the Company acquire with the intention of retaining and operating a U.S. certificated air carrier or air operation operating aircraft of over 60,000 lbs. MTOGW, then the acquired carrier’s routes and operation of aircraft above the MTOGW of 60,000 lbs. shall be assumed by the pilots on the FedEx Master Seniority List. If the acquired airline is to be sold in the normal course of business, these seniority-merger provisions do not apply. If FedEx Corp., its subsidiaries or Affiliates retain and operate the acquired airline, the assumption of the acquired flying by Federal Express Master Seniority List pilots shall take place as soon as reasonably practical after either the merger of the acquired carrier’s appropriate pilots (those flying aircraft over 60,000 lbs.) into the Federal Express Master Seniority List in the manner set forth in Section 1.D.3., or in the event the pilots from the acquired carrier are not intended to be retained, then upon the final regulatory confirmation and transfer of the operating certificates to Federal Express and/or FedEx Corp.
So what am I missing? The old contract called the "PARENT COMPANY" FDX the new TA calls the "PARENT COMPANY" FedEx Corp. At the time of the last contract, FDX was the name for FedEx Corp. So how was it not tied to the parent company originally?
As far as the rest of SCOPE, it is an improvement. Especially the arbitration rights we now have. So one of the four cornerstones looks decent.
09-14-2006, 02:13 PM
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The letter that follows section 1.
FedEx Express is a Railway Labor Act (RLA) carrier whose operations are interconnected and integrated with its ground, hub and other support operations. With respect to any acquisition or development of another RLA air carrier should FedEx Corp. or other Federal Express operating companies acquire or develop any RLA carrier it shall be housed within FedEx Express. In other words, it is not the intent of FedEx Corp. to run or acquire an “alter ego” airline to compete with FedEx Express.
As for the other Federal Express operating companies, it should be noted that some of these companies have, as part of their business model, relationships with other airlines as well as FedEx Express in order to service their customers. However, none of these companies own or operate any aircraft with pilots. Should any of the other operating companies employ pilots who operate aircraft (excluding corporate aviation aircraft and those with a MTOGW of 60,000 pounds or less) for purposes of supporting their businesses, those acquisitions will be moved to FedEx Express for integration into FedEx Express, as the RLA carrier component of this network.
FedEx Express is a Railway Labor Act (RLA) carrier whose operations are interconnected and integrated with its ground, hub and other support operations. With respect to any acquisition or development of another RLA air carrier should FedEx Corp. or other Federal Express operating companies acquire or develop any RLA carrier it shall be housed within FedEx Express. In other words, it is not the intent of FedEx Corp. to run or acquire an “alter ego” airline to compete with FedEx Express.
As for the other Federal Express operating companies, it should be noted that some of these companies have, as part of their business model, relationships with other airlines as well as FedEx Express in order to service their customers. However, none of these companies own or operate any aircraft with pilots. Should any of the other operating companies employ pilots who operate aircraft (excluding corporate aviation aircraft and those with a MTOGW of 60,000 pounds or less) for purposes of supporting their businesses, those acquisitions will be moved to FedEx Express for integration into FedEx Express, as the RLA carrier component of this network.
Last edited by MX727; 09-14-2006 at 02:16 PM.
09-14-2006, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HERCBUS
So what am I missing? The old contract called the "PARENT COMPANY" FDX the new TA calls the "PARENT COMPANY" FedEx Corp. At the time of the last contract, FDX was the name for FedEx Corp. So how was it not tied to the parent company originally?
As far as the rest of SCOPE, it is an improvement. Especially the arbitration rights we now have. So one of the four cornerstones looks decent.
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09-14-2006, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MX727
The letter that follows section 1.
FedEx Express is a Railway Labor Act (RLA) carrier whose operations are interconnected and integrated with its ground, hub and other support operations. With respect to any acquisition or development of another RLA air carrier should FedEx Corp. or other Federal Express operating companies acquire or develop any RLA carrier it shall be housed within FedEx Express. In other words, it is not the intent of FedEx Corp. to run or acquire an “alter ego” airline to compete with FedEx Express.
As for the other Federal Express operating companies, it should be noted that some of these companies have, as part of their business model, relationships with other airlines as well as FedEx Express in order to service their customers. However, none of these companies own or operate any aircraft with pilots. Should any of the other operating companies employ pilots who operate aircraft (excluding corporate aviation aircraft and those with a MTOGW of 60,000 pounds or less) for purposes of supporting their businesses, those acquisitions will be moved to FedEx Express for integration into FedEx Express, as the RLA carrier component of this network.
FedEx Express is a Railway Labor Act (RLA) carrier whose operations are interconnected and integrated with its ground, hub and other support operations. With respect to any acquisition or development of another RLA air carrier should FedEx Corp. or other Federal Express operating companies acquire or develop any RLA carrier it shall be housed within FedEx Express. In other words, it is not the intent of FedEx Corp. to run or acquire an “alter ego” airline to compete with FedEx Express.
As for the other Federal Express operating companies, it should be noted that some of these companies have, as part of their business model, relationships with other airlines as well as FedEx Express in order to service their customers. However, none of these companies own or operate any aircraft with pilots. Should any of the other operating companies employ pilots who operate aircraft (excluding corporate aviation aircraft and those with a MTOGW of 60,000 pounds or less) for purposes of supporting their businesses, those acquisitions will be moved to FedEx Express for integration into FedEx Express, as the RLA carrier component of this network.
09-14-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GreaseA6
So what does this mean for Tradewinds? The company has to cut their ties or move to FedEX Express and integrate?
We fly B4's, the 600R is really an A300 B4-600R or A300 F4-600R. We don't want the B2's though, they are the original three man airplanes with full analog.
If you want to figure out which A300/310s should be showing up soon, look here and notice the ones that are stored at CWF and the new ones coming off the line:
http://www.uuhome.de/Bludau/a300_310.htm
Last edited by MX727; 09-14-2006 at 06:27 PM.
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