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07-06-2011 | 01:46 PM
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Yes I know that. All of the manuals, MEL/CDL and such behind the FO are already on the EFBs. Just not authorized reference materials there, or so I've been led to believe. So they haven't gotten the FAA approval to use the EFB copies and still pay to print, distribute and post paper manuals (on the MD, anyway...).
Or perhaps I missed the official approval via Ru___Gram or Comm Update, both unofficial sources. But we seem to have managers that love to legislate and guide via unofficial communications rather than official FCIFs that can be used to regulate or change approved options.
Just my opinion....
Or perhaps I missed the official approval via Ru___Gram or Comm Update, both unofficial sources. But we seem to have managers that love to legislate and guide via unofficial communications rather than official FCIFs that can be used to regulate or change approved options.
Just my opinion....
Last edited by Perm11FO; 07-06-2011 at 01:48 PM. Reason: added info
07-06-2011 | 04:21 PM
#12
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Yes I know that. All of the manuals, MEL/CDL and such behind the FO are already on the EFBs. Just not authorized reference materials there, or so I've been led to believe. So they haven't gotten the FAA approval to use the EFB copies and still pay to print, distribute and post paper manuals (on the MD, anyway...).
Or perhaps I missed the official approval via Ru___Gram or Comm Update, both unofficial sources. But we seem to have managers that love to legislate and guide via unofficial communications rather than official FCIFs that can be used to regulate or change approved options.
Just my opinion....
Or perhaps I missed the official approval via Ru___Gram or Comm Update, both unofficial sources. But we seem to have managers that love to legislate and guide via unofficial communications rather than official FCIFs that can be used to regulate or change approved options.
Just my opinion....
and
FOM (version 47) page 4-1 paragraph 4.04
bottom line: a paper QRH is always required, and for those aircraft using paper normal checklists, a paper normal checklist is always required - everything else can be electronic and on the EFB
07-06-2011 | 07:28 PM
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How many "procedure" changes have been published by comm update or email? Maybe if you read the FOM, FARs and aircraft manuals you would find all of these "procedures" are actually published as they should be.
Comm updates and emails are only to remind you of or clarify the changes made to official publications. Anything else is only "technique" and not binding!
07-06-2011 | 07:32 PM
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You are kidding right???
How many "procedure" changes have been published by comm update or email? Maybe if you read the FOM, FARs and aircraft manuals you would find all of these "procedures" are actually published as they should be.
Comm updates and emails are only to remind you of or clarify the changes made to official publications. Anything else is only "technique" and not binding!
How many "procedure" changes have been published by comm update or email? Maybe if you read the FOM, FARs and aircraft manuals you would find all of these "procedures" are actually published as they should be.
Comm updates and emails are only to remind you of or clarify the changes made to official publications. Anything else is only "technique" and not binding!
07-07-2011 | 09:39 PM
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From: MD11 Kitchen Bi*ch
Read MD-11/10 CFM pages 2-3-0-2 and 2-3-0-3
and
FOM (version 47) page 4-1 paragraph 4.04
bottom line: a paper QRH is always required, and for those aircraft using paper normal checklists, a paper normal checklist is always required - everything else can be electronic and on the EFB
and
FOM (version 47) page 4-1 paragraph 4.04
bottom line: a paper QRH is always required, and for those aircraft using paper normal checklists, a paper normal checklist is always required - everything else can be electronic and on the EFB
07-08-2011 | 07:26 AM
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No - just a line pilot and I stand by my statement.
I have not found any "procedure" disseminated by comm update or email - only clarifications of "procedure" that are in the manuals. If you want to prove me wrong - show an example!
I have not found any "procedure" disseminated by comm update or email - only clarifications of "procedure" that are in the manuals. If you want to prove me wrong - show an example!
07-08-2011 | 11:06 AM
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07-11-2011 | 08:22 AM
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