Our N.C. Speaks For ME!
09-23-2006, 05:21 PM
#13
On Reserve
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: 11 Front
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by MaiTai
The difference of what......zero? That's what it will be since we won't get a penny from it the first year. Unless I missed something and they are going to back pay everyone once the "glitches" are removed.
09-23-2006, 06:25 PM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 2,889
Not to sound like a smart@ss, but really throwning out an idea..
We'll need to do this again in 2010. That isn't that far away. If you have genuine heartburn with your committee this time, join the next one and get involved with your ideas.
I'm not the most active union member, but I do try to stay informed. I personally met with Sleepy before he was SPC and we discussed a bunch of issues. His effort, committment, and willingness to go to the mat for his bros (my block at the time) completely impressed me. I also live in the same town as one of the NC members. Every time I'd see him a flight to MEM, I'd ask about the issues and what he could tell me. When we got our survey a few years back (which I thought was an excellent product with summation of other company's contracts) I put a lot of thought and effort into what I thought I wanted out of the contract. Since that time, I've bought a hat, kept up with the ALPA website (which had our opener and the company opener posted for MONTHS!), and dumped about 600 hours into my makeup bank. What shocks me is as little as I've done, many haven't even done that.
So far--the biggest complaints I've heard have been 1. Retro should be on hours worked, not a forumula (fat chance--why should the MEC reward those who worked AGAINST their own negotiating committee) If you flew ONE extra trip since "family awareness month", you are part of the problem. 2. the pay should be higher per hour. The fact is many of these boards from UPS knew what we were asking for wages before a lot of FDX guys, because they took the time to research and read out proposals. If you didn't know what we were even asking for because you were too lazy to read your own union website, you can't possibly have a legitimate beef with the NC now. There was a window to raise your concerns to your block reps...but that ship has long since sailed.
We all had hundreds of individual decisions to make, and with the cumulative actions taken I personally thought the NC got even more than I could have expected them to get in this environment. So--I trust them. I certainly trust them a lot more than my co-workers who are just now getting around to figuring out what we really asked for. You guys are trying to do an In-range checklist at 800 feet on final. It CAN be done--but its a mess and you are just making everyone else on the crew jump through their butts...
So--honestly--if you are that upset...start your plans. Make your lists. Do your research. I'm sure the guys who have been put through the ringer this time will be glad to go back to being line guys or OTHER committee members instead of the Negotiating team. Step up, grab a bat, and do some great work. And when you get there...this guy will read everything you put out, do what the SPC asks, and generally have your back. Just like this time...
We'll need to do this again in 2010. That isn't that far away. If you have genuine heartburn with your committee this time, join the next one and get involved with your ideas.
I'm not the most active union member, but I do try to stay informed. I personally met with Sleepy before he was SPC and we discussed a bunch of issues. His effort, committment, and willingness to go to the mat for his bros (my block at the time) completely impressed me. I also live in the same town as one of the NC members. Every time I'd see him a flight to MEM, I'd ask about the issues and what he could tell me. When we got our survey a few years back (which I thought was an excellent product with summation of other company's contracts) I put a lot of thought and effort into what I thought I wanted out of the contract. Since that time, I've bought a hat, kept up with the ALPA website (which had our opener and the company opener posted for MONTHS!), and dumped about 600 hours into my makeup bank. What shocks me is as little as I've done, many haven't even done that.
So far--the biggest complaints I've heard have been 1. Retro should be on hours worked, not a forumula (fat chance--why should the MEC reward those who worked AGAINST their own negotiating committee) If you flew ONE extra trip since "family awareness month", you are part of the problem. 2. the pay should be higher per hour. The fact is many of these boards from UPS knew what we were asking for wages before a lot of FDX guys, because they took the time to research and read out proposals. If you didn't know what we were even asking for because you were too lazy to read your own union website, you can't possibly have a legitimate beef with the NC now. There was a window to raise your concerns to your block reps...but that ship has long since sailed.
We all had hundreds of individual decisions to make, and with the cumulative actions taken I personally thought the NC got even more than I could have expected them to get in this environment. So--I trust them. I certainly trust them a lot more than my co-workers who are just now getting around to figuring out what we really asked for. You guys are trying to do an In-range checklist at 800 feet on final. It CAN be done--but its a mess and you are just making everyone else on the crew jump through their butts...
So--honestly--if you are that upset...start your plans. Make your lists. Do your research. I'm sure the guys who have been put through the ringer this time will be glad to go back to being line guys or OTHER committee members instead of the Negotiating team. Step up, grab a bat, and do some great work. And when you get there...this guy will read everything you put out, do what the SPC asks, and generally have your back. Just like this time...
09-23-2006, 06:42 PM
#15
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 3B
Posts: 1,052
I'll bet some of them even drink foo foo drinks like Mai Tais.[/QUOTE from FXDX]
You have to have an issue WORTH striking for....do you really think ANY issue that we now have at FED EX is worth STRIKING OVER....???? I DON'T.[/QUOTE from Mai Tai]
Dude: You messed up the quote function somehow and credited me with some comments made by Mai Tai.
I only made the snappy remark about foo foo drinks.
You have to have an issue WORTH striking for....do you really think ANY issue that we now have at FED EX is worth STRIKING OVER....???? I DON'T.[/QUOTE from Mai Tai]
Dude: You messed up the quote function somehow and credited me with some comments made by Mai Tai.
I only made the snappy remark about foo foo drinks.
Last edited by FXDX; 09-24-2006 at 06:16 PM.
09-23-2006, 06:43 PM
#16
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: 3B
Posts: 1,052
Wow: I just looked at my post, and it is screwed up on the quote function too. I guess you have to be careful about quoting a post that already has a quote from another post.
Any chance the moderators could fix this?
Any chance the moderators could fix this?
09-23-2006, 07:56 PM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: MD-11/10 Captain
Posts: 533
Originally Posted by 42GO
I'll bet some of them even drink foo foo drinks like Mai Tais.
You guys have got to figure out how to use the "Quote" icon. It's just not that hard to do.
09-24-2006, 01:55 AM
#20
done, gone skiing
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
Posts: 1,601
Come fly with me
Originally Posted by MaiTai
The only people who really benifit from this T.A. are the International flyers and the retired who have a medical condition...................
It didn't take long to read your (past) posts to understand your position on the TA, since four out of five of them where posted yesterday.I was wondering when someone would stand up and gripe about the enhanced trip rig vs no improvement in the MPDP day. From what I've heard, flight mgt was very keen on giving more money to the INTL flyer's than the hub turners. Could have related to the (unseen) safety report or just (some on the mgt side) feeling that the INTL guys are working harder for the (current) 6 hours a day vs the hub turning domestic fliers. What surprises me is the lack of comment on the fact that while our widebody pay is now on par with UPS's (all fleet) pay, the affect is with our WB/NB pay differential, our 727 guys are, effectively, B scale, relative to UPS.
MaiTai, you don't list any details in your bio; visa vie, what you fly. I'm guessing your a Bus capt doing the INDy hub turns worth 3 +3. Come join us out doing the INTL thing and you too can collect your "bonus" for operating out of CONUS. Than you too will make the big bucks the 11 guys enjoy.
